Talk:John Lockwood Kipling

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Cryptic

Dedication page of *Beast and Man in India* shewing calligraphic tiger

Can anyone who knows Arabic script tell what the cryptic dedication page of Beast and man means. The full scanned book is available on www.archive.org. Shyamal 12:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

@Shyamal: - I've asked on the Language RefDesk. For convenience here is the link to the page in the book. DuncanHill (talk) 00:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Shyamal: - User:Omidinist has kindly supplied a translation - it is a Persian quatrain by Iqbal of Lahore " 'Elahi baxte to bidar bada - To ra dolat hamishe yar bada -- Gole eqbale to da'em shekofte -Be chashme doshmananat xar bada'. Meaning: 'May God keep your fortune awake - May fortune always be your companion -- May your fortune flower always be blossomed - and turn into thorn in your enemies' eyes'". DuncanHill (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@DuncanHill:@Omidinist: - wow, that is amazing. Shukriya, thanks. Shyamal (talk) 17:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Author

I note that Kipling is credited as co-author of Tales of the Punjab. The Gutenberg version does not list him as co-author/collector. Can anyone confirm the author credit? Cobaltcanarycherry (talk) 04:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Not sure how to go about it, but should be noted that he didn't go by "John" but "Lockwood". — $Llywelyn II$ 12:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it should. The article should really be at Lockwood Kipling. DuncanHill (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A quick look at what the article's sources use should disabuse anyone of this notion. Johnbod (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The V&A refs used call him Lockwood. The Birkenhead biography of Rudyard says "John Lockwood Kipling, always known as Lockwood"^[1]. Angus Wilson indexes him as Lockwood, and says "he did not assume the rather grand use of his mother's surname as his first name until just before he left for India".^[2] Carrington uses John and Lockwood in the early chapters of his biography of Rudyard, but switches to Lockwood consistently once he gets to India. He notes "His wife and family usually called him John. To the rest of his acquaintances he was known as Mr Lockwood Kipling, and by that name he will be known in this book".^[3] Philip Mason^[4] indexes him as J. Lockwood, but calls him Lockwood in the text. DuncanHill (talk) 00:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Lord Birkenhead (1980). "1: A Peaceful Childhood". Rudyard Kipling. London: Star Books. p. 7. ISBN 0352305576.
^ Wilson, Angus (1979). "1: Paradise and the Fall". The Strange Ride of Rudyard Kipling. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books Ltd. p. 13. ISBN 0140051228.
^ Carrington, Charles (1986). "2: Childhood: Bombay and Southsea". Rudyard Kipling: His Life and Work. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books. p. 41. ISBN 014058028X.
^ Mason, Philip (1975). Kipling: The Glass, the Shadow and the Fire. London: Jonathan Cape. ISBN 0224011286.

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[1] Lord Birkenhead (1980). "1: A Peaceful Childhood". Rudyard Kipling. London: Star Books. p. 7. ISBN 0352305576.

[2] Wilson, Angus (1979). "1: Paradise and the Fall". The Strange Ride of Rudyard Kipling. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books Ltd. p. 13. ISBN 0140051228.

[3] Carrington, Charles (1986). "2: Childhood: Bombay and Southsea". Rudyard Kipling: His Life and Work. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books. p. 41. ISBN 014058028X.

[4] Mason, Philip (1975). Kipling: The Glass, the Shadow and the Fire. London: Jonathan Cape. ISBN 0224011286.

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