Talk:Jehoahaz of Judah

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The verse given in Jeremiah (22:11) is incorrect. It would be helpful if someone could fix that. Micah McGowan (talk) 00:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what other reference in Jeremiah would be in mind, nor why 22:11 is deemed incorrect. That verse refers to Shallum, son of Josiah, who reigned in place of his father and who "went forth out fo this place" (KJV). The verse is couched as a warning to Shallum, and therefore indirectly to the people, that he will not return but will die in the land of his captivity.Opaanderson 17:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shallum of Jeremiah 22:11 is Jehoahaz. Jeremiah says he, "went forth out of his place." (Jeremiah 23:11 KJV) That strikes me as when he was lured to Riblah in 2 Kings 23:33 by Neco. Jeremiah's warning about dying in captivity was to him specifically, I'd say. The reason I say this is that Jehoahaz died in captivity in Egypt, but those carried away would die in captivity in Babylon some time later. I'm not sure, but Josephus Antiquities 10:83 seems to be saying he died 10 days after Neco captured him in Egypt, but looks like you could read it as his reign as king was slightly longer than 3 months instead, and that he just died an unspecified time later in Egypt. If anyone has insight on this, I would enjoy to hear it.

Necho Deposing Jehoahaz

Regarding the statement "On his return march from the Babylonian campaign, Necho ... deposed Jehoahaz and appointed his older brother Eliakim as king", this doesn't seem to be correct. If Jehoahaz was appointed to reign in 609, and he ruled for three months, then he would have been deposed in the year 609 BC. Pharaoh Necho put Jehoahaz in prison at Riblah (2 Kings 23:29), which is north of Jerusalem, which implies he is on his way to north. Finally, Necho brought Jehoahaz down to Egypt, where he died (2 Kings 23:29), which was probably after his first campaign. I propose changing the two paragraphs "Necho proceeded with his campaign against the Babylonians... where Jehoahaz ended his days." to one:

Necho deposed Jehoahaz and appointed his older brother Eliakim as king, changing his name to Jehoiakim.^[1] He also imposed a tribute of 100 talents of silver upon Judah.^[2] Necho brought Jehoiakim north to Riblah and imprisoned him there. ^[3] Necho proceeded with his first campaign, joining forces with the Assyrian Ashur-uballit II and together they crossed the Euphrates and laid siege to Harran, which they failed to capture and the Assyrian Empire collapsed. On his return march from the first Babylonian campaign, Necho brought Jehoahaz back to Egypt as his prisoner, where Jehoahaz ended his days. ^[4]

DrFrankencelery (talk) 20:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The reference you feel is incorrect is from Josephus Antiquities 10:81. You are mistaken in your citation from 2 Kings, the verse you are citing is 23:33. This verse refers to Neco having Jehoahaz arrested in Riblah, not imprisoned there. He is then taken back to Egypt and imprisoned (2 Kings 23:34, 2 Chronicles 36:4, Josephus Antiquities 10:83). Your chronology for all this looks wrong, where are you getting it from? Josephus lays it all out in Antiquities 10:74-83. Josiah's fatal resistance of Neco is as he is on his way to fight the Medes and Babylonians in defense of Assyria, Neco returns three months later -- after his campaign is finished -- lures Jehoahaz away from Jerusalem, arrests him (at Riblah according to 2 Kings, Hamath of Syria according to Josephus), and takes him back to Egypt. The accounts of 2 Kings 23 and 2 Chronicles 35 align with this narrative. 1 Esdras 1 tells the story as well, but lacks detail on the subject here discussed. Herodotus mentions this campaign, but doesn't shed any light on Neco deposing Jehoahaz. If there is another historical source I have passed over pertaining to this event, please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Micah McGowan (talk • contribs)

References

Third son reference

[1] I didn't see any reference to the wording "third son". Could anyone provide a reference? Bennylin (talk) 10:49, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[1] 2 Chronicles 36:4

[2] 2 Kings 23:33

[3] 2 Kings 23:33

[4] 2 Kings 23:34

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