Talk:Jeff Van Drew

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I reached out to the New Jersey Department of Military and Veterans Affairs to confirm their licensing policy, as I am pretty sure it is public domain or at least a WP suitable license. https://www.flickr.com/photos/njdmava/34503425650/in/photolist-nF84DU-nViNWM-9kX6o7-23RZrbK-fNAt76-9kU2xe-9kU2rn-D4nMMH-22nqCQS-22nqBZJ-eeyv1L-22nqu67-22nquKo-DNc6ZZ-23pnDeS-FjgXhS-22nqvoC-FjgMWN-22nqvVQ-ntsb6C-nTwkiG-nKZF3o-bXb8jF-UyX5n9-UyX4TJ-6jP9pZ 02:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I reached out to the campaign on Facebook, and am awaiting their reply. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has he officially switched parties?

Can anyone provide a source? S0091 (talk) 23:18, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

He's still listed as a Democrat on his house.gov page, there aren't any press releases on his site announcing a party change, and I see no news stories stating that he has actually changed parties. Looks like this is happening repeatedly on both this page and on the New_Jersey's_2nd_congressional_district page. Surrogami (talk) 00:43, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Times in [1] reports that he "Plans to Switch Parties " but also wrote that Mr. Van Drew did not respond to a request for comment. The Washington Post has a similar story, both are cited in the article. His official web site does not have any news about a party switch, and lists Van Drew as a member of the Blue Dog Cacus an organization of House Democrats. I don't think there is any source that the switch has yet happened, althoguh it seems likley that it will soon. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Van Drew is no longer listed as a member of the Blue Democrat Coalition.Dobbyelf62 (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discretionary sanctions

As Part of the general field of American Politics, this page is subject to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions accordingly, since there has been a thoroughly excessive amount of reverting on this page over the issue of Van Drew's possible change in party membership, I am going to place a Page Restriction on this page, as follows:

No editor may change the listed party affiliation of Van Drew, either in the infobox or in the body of the article, from "Democrat" to "Republican" unless this is supported by a supporting citation to Van Drew's official web site, or to another official site of the US House of Representatives, showing such a change, or by at least TWO other reliable sources both quoting Van Drew himself that he has actually changed parties, not merely plans or intends to do so.'

In addition, No editor may use biased language such as "turncoat" in connection with the party switch.

Violations of this restriction may result in blocks. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DES Now confirmed by Van Drew himself. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:29, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first restriction is now moot and no longer in effect, because reliable sources for an official change of party have now been added to the article. The second restriction, which is no more than a specific instance of the general WP:BLP policy, remains in effect. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 December 2019

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In the last paragraph of the "Political positions" section, it says that Van Drew "was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry" against Donald Trump. According to the sources listed for the same sentence, the other Democrat to vote against was Collin Peterson. I would like the last paragraph to be changed to reflect this. Please change from this ...:

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.^[1] On October 31, 2019, he was one of two Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.^[2]^[3] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.^[4] In December 2019 it was reported that he is considering switching to the Republican Party.^[5]^[6]

... to this:

In October 2019, he announced that he would oppose the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.^[7] On October 31, 2019, he and Collin Peterson were the only Democrats to vote against the rules for an impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump.^[8]^[9] The vote was partially seen as a re-election strategy.^[10] In December 2019 it was reported that he is considering switching to the Republican Party.^[11]^[12]

Thank you in advance. - 212.130.152.24 (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rambaran, Vandana. "New Jersey Democrat bucks House trend, says he likely won't back impeachment resolution", Fox News, October 30, 2019. Accessed October 30, 2019.
^ House approves impeachment rules, ushering in new phase of inquiry, CBS News, Grace Segers, Kathryn Watson and Stefan Becket, October 31, 2019. Retrieved October 31, 2019.
^ Edmondson, Catie (October 31, 2019). "Meet the Democrats Who Broke Ranks on Impeachment". The New York Times. Retrieved November 1, 2019.
^ https://www.njspotlight.com/2019/11/van-drews-no-on-impeachment-inquiry-leaves-room-to-walk-it-back/
^ Martin, Jonathan; Corasaniti, Nick (2019-12-14). "Representative Jeff Van Drew, Anti-Impeachment Democrat, Considering Switching Parties". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2019-12-14.
^ "Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis". Washington Post. Retrieved 2019-12-14.
^ Rambaran, Vandana. "New Jersey Democrat bucks House trend, says he likely won't back impeachment resolution", Fox News, October 30, 2019. Accessed October 30, 2019.
^ House approves impeachment rules, ushering in new phase of inquiry, CBS News, Grace Segers, Kathryn Watson and Stefan Becket, October 31, 2019. Retrieved October 31, 2019.
^ Edmondson, Catie (October 31, 2019). "Meet the Democrats Who Broke Ranks on Impeachment". The New York Times. Retrieved November 1, 2019.
^ https://www.njspotlight.com/2019/11/van-drews-no-on-impeachment-inquiry-leaves-room-to-walk-it-back/
^ Martin, Jonathan; Corasaniti, Nick (2019-12-14). "Representative Jeff Van Drew, Anti-Impeachment Democrat, Considering Switching Parties". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2019-12-14.
^ "Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis". Washington Post. Retrieved 2019-12-14.

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Spintendo 19:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV violation in lead

An editor is edit-warring this into the lead:

Van Drew announced that he had joined the Republican Party in a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House. The announcement came after House Democrats continued with articles of impeachment against President Trump, isolating more moderate democrats like Congressman Van Drew. According to Politico, Van Drew was pushed by House Republicans, mainly by Republican Leader, Congressman Kevin McCarthy (CA-23), to make the switch to Republican Party.

The bolded part is not neutral in the slightest. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. In addition to this characterization being unsourced and POV, it is also excessive weight for the lead. Details like Kevin McCarthy's outreach belong, if anywhere, in the body of the article and not the lead section. MattStachler, please don't make that edit again. Neutrality^talk 00:44, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editnotice

DESiegel do you think the large editnotice for this page is still necessary? The party switch happened a while ago and seems to no longer be an issue. Maybe minimize it to something smaller about NPOV language? Elli (talk | contribs) 12:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NATO vote

Springee, I think his NATO vote is relevant in the context of his other votes where he has sometimes broken with or aligned with other members and factions of his party. Andrevan@ 20:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's no big deal, it is just one vote in many.לילך5 (talk) 20:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I don't see any reason why this is DUE. A few months back I raised a similar NPOVN question [2]. Basically how much mention/association is needed between a politician and particular vote before the vote becomes DUE on the BLP page. The consensus was that it needed more than just a list type mention in an article about the vote. A list type mention appears to be all we have here. Springee (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JVD's view on NATO is something we could follow over time, provided it is sourced adequately, in my view. Because he has taken some positions on this issue, his relevant votes may also be relevant. [3] Andrevan@ 21:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of county office from infobox

I am proposing the elimination of Van Drew's county office held from the infobox. I'll admit that I'm not in favor of adding local offices to infoboxes, unless significant, but it just doesn't have utility here. He was one member of several on the commission, of the second smallest county of New Jersey by population. Further, the article hardly mentions his time on the commission at all--again, why mention it in the infobox. Joe Biden, similarly, was a member of the New Castle County Council, yet the office is not mentioned in the infobox and the article very briefly mentions his time there. Doesn't make sense to include it there or here. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I removed the county office held from the infobox. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Biden's office as New Castle County Council member has been restored to the infobox; I'm gonna go ahead and do the same here. -- Politicsfan4 (talk) 05:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Rambaran, Vandana. "New Jersey Democrat bucks House trend, says he likely won't back impeachment resolution", Fox News, October 30, 2019. Accessed October 30, 2019.

[2] House approves impeachment rules, ushering in new phase of inquiry, CBS News, Grace Segers, Kathryn Watson and Stefan Becket, October 31, 2019. Retrieved October 31, 2019.

[3] Edmondson, Catie (October 31, 2019). "Meet the Democrats Who Broke Ranks on Impeachment". The New York Times. Retrieved November 1, 2019.

[4] ttps://www.njspotlight.com/2019/11/van-drews-no-on-impeachment-inquiry-leaves-room-to-walk-it-back/

[5] Martin, Jonathan; Corasaniti, Nick (2019-12-14). "Representative Jeff Van Drew, Anti-Impeachment Democrat, Considering Switching Parties". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2019-12-14.

[6] "Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis". Washington Post. Retrieved 2019-12-14.

[7] Rambaran, Vandana. "New Jersey Democrat bucks House trend, says he likely won't back impeachment resolution", Fox News, October 30, 2019. Accessed October 30, 2019.

[8] House approves impeachment rules, ushering in new phase of inquiry, CBS News, Grace Segers, Kathryn Watson and Stefan Becket, October 31, 2019. Retrieved October 31, 2019.

[9] Edmondson, Catie (October 31, 2019). "Meet the Democrats Who Broke Ranks on Impeachment". The New York Times. Retrieved November 1, 2019.

[10] ttps://www.njspotlight.com/2019/11/van-drews-no-on-impeachment-inquiry-leaves-room-to-walk-it-back/

[11] Martin, Jonathan; Corasaniti, Nick (2019-12-14). "Representative Jeff Van Drew, Anti-Impeachment Democrat, Considering Switching Parties". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2019-12-14.

[12] "Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis". Washington Post. Retrieved 2019-12-14.

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