Talk:Jay Hambidge

Merge proposal

There has been a merge proposal (from The Elements of Dynamic Symmetry) on the page for almost a year, but whoever placed it didn't open a discussion section for it, so I'm doing it. Seems like a good idea. In aggregate, Hambidge and his two books are somewhat notable; in isolation, probably not. So let's move that stuff here and make an article, either titled Jay Hambidge or Dynamic summetry. OK? Dicklyon (talk) 19:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Compromise?

Hambidge also considered related sequences, such as:

118, 191, 309, 500, 809, 1309, 2118, 3427, 5545, 8972, 14517, etc.

which follows the same algorithm, but with a different seed; this is a portion of the Fibonacci sequence beginning with 1 and 5.

was what I always intended; sorry for the misedit. This explains that the series is not chosen from the random seed 118 191, which will put the reader to the trouble of finding out what it is. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

that's better. But I just changed it to say more of what his claim was, by way of a quote; I incorporated the idea above, too. Actually, though, we don't know how the series was chosen, but almost certainly not from 1 and 5. Dicklyon (talk) 21:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What does he say? The odds of beginning with an arbitrary seed and finding that it can be traced back to two small positive integers are quite small. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

He doesn't say much beyond what I quoted. I suspect he started with the ratio 1.618 and 500; since 1.618 is obviously a multiple of 1/500, the next number, 809, is attained with no rounding; from there he worked up and down to more numbers, but stopped going down when the ratio got further off than he wanted. Dicklyon (talk) 04:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

whose temple

... classical buildings in Greece, among them the Parthenon, the temple of Apollo at Bassæ, of Zeus at Olympia and Athenæ at Ægina ...

I noticed this and got suspicious of the spelling Athenæ (which has been in the article since its first draft); it is the name of a city (in Latin form) and does not appear among the forms of the goddess's name in our article. So I followed the link to Aegina and learned that it is famous for a Temple of Aphaea (and that Aphaea may be an alternate name for Athena). Accordingly I changed the unexplained "[[Athena|Athenæ]]" to "[[Temple of Aphaea|Aphæa]]". User:Dicklyon reverted, with the annotation Undocument change of deity name, which is not without comedy considering the unsupported spelling Athenæ thus restored. —Tamfang (talk) 23:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

"Undocumented" (which is what I meant to type) was in application to your change, and shouldn't imply any preference for the also undocumented material that you changed. The point is to provoke you to put a source for why you're changing it. Dicklyon (talk) 00:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and I think the ae ending is the Latin possessive (genitive) case ending, meaning Athena's temple (see Latin declension#First declension (a)); in an English article, that's probably not how we should write it. I did find several sources indicating that the Greek deity Athena is often associated with the local deity Aphaia (and other spellings), and some sources that connect Hambidge to several of these names. Dicklyon (talk) 00:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh I see, Athenæ is parallel to of Apollo and of Zeus. Heh. I'm often tempted to write that way. In particular it irritates me when a story set in the Roman Empire uses vocatives in us! —Tamfang (talk) 05:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)