Talk:Jay-Z/Archive 2

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Potential Vandalism

Is this true? It doesn't seem right:

Last time Jay-Z wrote a verse for one of his songs was the 2nd verse of the song "Can I Live" off his Reasonable Doubt album.

Dehbach 19:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he ever wrote an original line or verse ever. He's a biter so I dunno.. sounds true.

na its cuz he dosnt write any of his rhymes down.. he freestyles them... i thinkd ats what they mean

no, i remember there was a chat session on Rocafellas site, and one of the fans asked him which was the last verse he ever wrote, but I don't remember was it "Can I Live".

I heard that also

63.230.66.1 19:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)In his name box it should say his real name and not "Bitch ass nigga"63.230.66.1 19:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It's been reverted. Check back and you see it corrected. GQsm ^{Talk | c} 20:32, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I just tried to edit the page to get rid of some vandalism, and it somehow I ended up messing it up pretty bad. I've been trying to contact someone to fix it; the picture is gone and the script is messed up. Someone had previously written POOP a dozen times at the beginning of the article, which I had sought to fix. 130.64.143.198 14:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I reverted to what seems the most recent good version. The birth date was changed to 1969 at some point. I changed it back to 1967, but I can't judge what is correct. Regards, Sander123 14:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Musical Controversy

Why is this being removed? It's factual information and is critical to his biography.

Got any reliable sources for this? --Wafulz 03:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It's coming, and when I do get the sources this piece will be included in the main article.

Remember that the sources must explicitly state that there is a controversy to speak of, and that they do more than just say some songs sound similar. In other words, don't create new conclusions from sources which do not reach those conclusions in the first place (No original research) --Wafulz 04:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Man I`m so sick of hearin bout that shit, he stole this and immitated that...c`mon all rappers do that. for exampel snoops lodi dodi is really really slick ricks lodi dodi. I´m no die hard jay-z fan, but I´m a die hard hiphop for 17 years, so I notice a lot of that sh** going on, but i wouldnt call it bitin its more to pay respect where respects due. if you`d ask hova he would never deny to have takin any of this lines from other rappers, because he knows that the people who really love this music and listen to it instead of just skip to the s.c. bangers heard it when they first heard the song. so much for that... to the unsigned comment above. wtf does it matter here whose more handsome, by the way extremely handsome translated means totally gay, no seriuz, this is hiphop and no fn beauty pagant or sth. an on that page hov will kill camron on any day, even if he suffers a stroke and a heart attack at the same time. i mean come on get real cam doesnt even rap anymore its all brr brr whoop whoop and stuff, even lil jon got more lyrical dephtness going on. cam should get out them toooo tight jeans so he can breath again and drop some lines himself instead of runnin round an yellin oh look jiggas wearin open toes and stuff. i mean is dude about rap music or is he the hiphop fashion police. he should look at himself runnin round like a u know what. peace T p.s. another exampel would be everybodies favorite dead prez "hip hop", which starts with the same words like bob marley`s "trenchtown rock"(one good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain) ya`ll need to think about that and learn your history on music... dont know why my comment was removed...if it was because of the offensive language, i apologize and corrected that. but what i wrote wasnt a opinion, it was a point. and of course an answer to the comment above, which in fact is a opinion, but doesnt seem to bother you. however i hope you can live with the comment the way i changed it.T

- This controversy is bogus - if you peep XXL every month, they have a "borrower/lender" section, showing lines that MANY MCS bit from many different sources. Plus, this "expose" came out when Cam'ron released his first diss tracks to Jay - and subsiquent, there was another "beat biter" type track, this time showing lines CAM'RON has stolen. Jay-Z is getting flack b/c of his status, but this practice is commonplace in Rap, and if you don't hear it, you aren't listening...

This article is nothing more than someone trying to slander Jay-z. I don't understand how so many people go out of there way to try to bring a bad image to Jay-z! Calling him a "camel" and saying Jazo is more "handsome"? This is completely false. Jay-z is one of the top 5 rappers to ever touch a mic.

charlie rose show

who took the mention of jay-z aspiring to be CEO of GE on the charlie rose show off? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ihateswine (talk • contribs) 01:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

Picture

I dunno, in the past this article has always done a good job with having a picture of Jay-Z in the Artist information box. Why is there no current image? Is it some type of musical artist regulation? If it is, then many artists have their pictures in the Info box. Just wondering, I thought a pic would make the article seem more professional. AtmanDave 04:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Rockawear and fashion section

I removed the entire 'Rockawear and fashion' section because it was a copy taken from http://www.rocawear.com/shop/aboutus.php I still think a short section about Rockawear is needed though. So if anyone wants to write one... Rocawear has its own article that could be helpful. - kollision 12:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

When did he choose his name?

Until 1988, the J-Z (New York City Subway service) was just the J. If he chose his name before that, that piece (now marked as needing a citation) is false. Otherwise, it might be true, and needs a citation. --NE2 04:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

whos jiggaman??

In jay-z'heloos song big pimpin and in many other songs he refers to one "hoaf jiggaman" or "jigga".

Is this jay-z or someone else because i cant find anything on the actual article?

In the song big pimpin he says "its just that jiggaman, pimps and...." and also one of the other rappers in the song says "roll with the mutherfuckin jiggaman fool". could somebody please put some information on this in the article please please

- "It's just that Jiggaman, Pimp C and B U N B" is the line. Pimp C and Bun B are members of UGK. Khal 16:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say he co-owns the 40/40 club but on the 40/40 club article it says three people own it?

He's jiggaman --AW 14:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC) On April 4th, 2008 Carter got married to Beyonce Knowles.

Man thats just so stupid. Bigga is so Jiggaman....... Jay Z rhymes don"t make no sense. Why the hell somhelloe people buy his records? LOL!!!!!

According to, well, him, his aliases are Jay-Z, Hova, Jigga and Iceberg Slim. Nowadays some people also call him President Carter, cause of the Def Jam position. Bwanaunsignedhype 16:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Tupac

Jay-Z's wealth for 2007 is based on the following: The Rocawear sale (after corporate lawyer fees and taxes applied) is in the $150-$160 million range, his Def Jam salary ($3 million) his endorsement deals ($9 million) his publishing rights ($10 million annually) his annual income from his 40/40 clubs is ($5 million), his income from Armadelle Vodka nets him $13 million yearly, his royalties from "Kingdom Come,' netted him $2 million due to a high royalty rate (despite sluggish sales due to downloading ) and his consultant salary with Anheuser-Busch along with his NBA investment nets him a combined total of $5 million-and his $340 million carried over from 2006 brings the grand total to staggering: $547 million dollars. Highest dollar amount (Rocawear) calculated for overall total. Maaaan he is richrichrich.

I think the text in bold should be removed, because
a) Best diss track is an opinion and not a fact
b) How do we know that Tupac hated them? Only because he dissed them? Come on..

--87.169.113.45 22:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

2pac did hate Jay Z because he dissed him on fuck friends from Until the end of time, and on the intro to his Makaveli album.--The Blizzard King 22:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Tbh (To Be Honest) I don't really think that 2pac hated anyone truly and other way around :) same with every rapper I mean do you really think that they hate each other if they diss each other a little? :P--84.250.27.36 22:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Tupac "disliked" 90% of New York rappers, He dissed Jay, Jay dissed, him, he dissed, Jay, Jay recorded a diss song, Pac died, Jay didn't release dis track...the end.

ayo whoever this ip belongs to is a bitch - 84.250.27.36 - go suck 50 cents cock u mother fucker, jay-z out did pac overall so jus shut up u rat ass homo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaygajera (talk • contribs) 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Jay-z is still the current and only owner of Roc-a-Fella records. It was on one of the Beef DVDs Dame told the story, and it really added up. Jay and Dame sold their shares to Kevin Liles(of Def Jam) bought it from them. Jay stuck around because he was CEO, Dame disappeared because he had no business with Def Jam anymore. After leaving, Def Jam sold Roc-a-Fella back to Jay-z. So Jay only sold Roc-a-Fella temporarily to sell out Dame, was it right...No. Good business move...Yes. He's a buisness mannnn.

Album Descriptions

Every single mini-article about his albums is horrible. It's biast and poorly written. The only good part is the record sales accuracy but everything else is horrible. The Reasonable Doubt one is fine but that's the only one. Someone should unlock it, make it look like an adult typed it, and lock it up again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.219.110.74 (talk) 21:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Jay-z and Linkin Park trivia question about their album together.

Jay-z and Linkin Park Trivia Game

Censored quote

In the "I Declare War" section, it says "United Nations of this rap $#!%." What did he say? Wikipedia is not supposed to be censored. I assume it was shit? --AW 14:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

2 days

I just wanted to have someone change a piece in the opening page of Jay-Z's article. It says that he wrote Blueprint in only 2 days. This was cited as said by Jay-Z himself on the MTV Mash-Up DVD with Linkin Park. Actually he preformed and recorded MOST of the songs in 2 days. He said this as a refrence to how he works in spurts. Writing the album was never discussed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZephyrCurse (talk • contribs)

He didn't even write it, since he does it in head, but I think he once said that he got all the ideas in two weeks.

Shot his brother when he was 12?

Enter the Babylon System includes this passage: "When Young Hov was really young, twelve in fact, he shot his older brother Eric in the shoulder for stealing his jewelery. Charges were never pressed" (page 259). They don't include a reference, but maybe this should be included in the article nonetheless? --Padraic 15:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

nets 'owner' ?

4.5 million out of 300 makes him a minority owner(less than 2%). He essentially paid about 1/4 of kidd's salary for one year. So this section needs editing:

Entertainment and lifestyle Jay-Z co-owns The 40/40 Club, an upscale sports bar that started in New York City and has since expanded to Atlantic City, NJ. Future plans will see 40/40 Clubs in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Singapore. Roc-A-Fella also distributes Armadale, a Scottish vodka, in the U.S.

On October 16, 2006, Jay-Z's new commercial spot with Anheuser-Busch aired, featuring his latest single "Show Me What You Got". Jay-Z will serve as co-brand director for Budweiser Select while collaborating with the company on strategic marketing programs and creative ad development. He will be providing direction on brand programs and ads that appear on TV, radio, print, and high-profile events.[19]

Jay-Z is the owner of the New Jersey Nets NBA team paying a reported $4.5 Million. Jay-Z is one of the franchise owners interested in relocating the team to Brooklyn. In October 2005, he was reported in English media as considering buying a stake of Arsenal F.C., an English football team.[20] However, at this point, this is still speculation.

Also the move to Brooklyn is essentially a done deal.

I little wrong...

Chuck D says Jay-Z was the greatest emcee of all time; on the page, it says rapper. The definition of emcees and rappers are different; Jay-Z's page has it crossed up.TheCorrector2.0 04:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

LOl this a one title

There is a title called the best rapper of all time". ****, Jimi Hendrix is not put ast he greatest guitarist ever so jay z is the best rapper hate it or love it hes just the best Zephead999 00:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Nick name placement

Someone created a new section called nick-names. I reverted saying it already existed in the info box. That someone then removed the nicknames from the info box and created another nick-nmaes section, this time much higher on the page. I think the nicknames are much better in the infobox. What say you all? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Beefs Section upgrade?

The Beefs section says Lil Wayne and thats it....What happened to the feud with Nas and apparently on a page of DMX he had seemed to have started a beef with Jay-Z in which Z was forced to throw a line at X?Anyone want to update that?-DogPHman 13:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Under the Lil Wayne header we have the following comment (about "Watch What You Say to Me"): "He did not mention Lil' Wayne's name, but he is clearly talking about him." Clearly? I'm sorry, did he mention a name? Until he does, a song's not "clearly" anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.149.143 (talk) 03:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

He was talking about Lil' Wayne! "My DNA in your music, motha fucka your stupid!" he always has claimed Wayne stole his style. "m Like Damn Nigga At Least Keep It Consistent(*talking about how he's inconsistent with mixtapes and albums*)/I Hear You Debatin Me Lately(*saying Jay isn't the best rapper alive*), Ive Been Doin My Best 2 Stay Hater-Free/ Still Watch What You Say 2 Me!/ Sooner Or Later I'll Take You Up On Your Offer And Put You All In Your Place Like Im Replacing Your Father.(*Father as in Birdman*)

Also we need to expand on the Dame Dash beef. Dame said him and Jay sold Roc-a-fella, Dame left the label to form Dame Dash Music Group. Jay stayed, they sold it to Antonio "LA" Reid(I believe) of Def-Jam. Once Dame left, he sold it back to Jay-z. So Jay only did that to get Dame off the label. Was it right, no. Was it smart, yes. I'm sure you can find something about this on google. But besides the DVD I don't have a source.

Jay is #3 richest rapper

Behind Diddy and Master P, both men have higher net worths. That shit should be changed.

Jay-z Isn't worth 540 million, he's worth 340 million.... change that please... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.6.210.196 (talk) 01:26, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

HE SOLD ROCAWEAR FOR 200 million

yo dumb fuck jay is worth way more than 340 million —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.88.237 (talk) 15:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Um yeah I cosign...please dont speak like your word is bond. Jay is worth more than Master P and Diddy at this point in his career...step your research game up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breegetzit (talk • contribs) 19:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

According to Forbes, 50 Cent has more money that Diddy and Master P. NO I'M NOT A 50 CENT DICK RIDER, I'M JUST STATING WHAT I READ IN FORBES.

Collision Course

Someone should change "rock group" to "nu metal group". Jay-Z did collaborate with them, and it is widely accepted (and even listed in the Linkin Park wikipedia article) that they are a nu metal group. I know this ain't LP's article, but since this article is locked, I figured I might as well ask someone to change it. 72.200.27.179 22:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Nu-metal is a genre of rock, what's the problem? Sheep81 16:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Reasonable Doubt 10-Year Anniversary Concert

In 2006, Jay-Z performed Reasonable Doubt with a 50-piece orchestra from start to finish at Radio City in NYC. This deserves a mention I think...and here's some footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoGaFpxKTk

Jay-Z and the NGE=

I'm not saying he wasn't one, but when was Jay-Z ever a member of the Nation of Gods and Earths? If he was, there's nothing written in the article, let alone a source, save for the category of "Former Five Percenters". Please give evidence because I'm curious. And I hope he wasn't added because one of his monikers is Jay-Hova because he's the "God MC" LOL. Uglyguy2006 18:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Jay Z date of Birth

It is incorrect on in this article...His date of Birth is Dec 4th 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breegetzit (talk • contribs) 19:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, thanks! Tabor 19:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

But wheres the source you dumb fuck, changed again...hes an old man. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Blizzard King (talk • contribs) 22:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Lies in intro

I deleted where it said, "admired" for his "ability" to write music without paper, because thats an opinion. I also deleted the part where it said hes one of the best selling hip hop artist because when I went to the 2 sources they did not say anything about him being one of the best selling rappers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Blizzard King (talk • contribs) 02:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

best of both worlds

== the discography is incorrect though they weren't original jay-z albums, best of both worlds 1 and 2 need to be mention also the re-release of reasonable doubt plus mtv unplugged == —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.219.144.51 (talk) 23:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Will someone please change the main picture to one with better quality! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.34.11.14 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

'Lost Ones' And Jay's relationship with Beyonce

The article says that "Many fans disputed this analysis, claiming that the song references a previous relationship with actress Rosario Dawson and that her burgeoning career ended the romance." That's not what I heard. I read somewhere that the verses were about Beyonce but from years earlier. at the time of Kingdom Come, Beyonce was 25, but the verses refer to the girl being 23. This shows that the verse was written after the black album, and could have been used for Kingdom come. They are clearly back together in Kindom Come, and the song could have been from a rough patch in '04-'05. Both theories are possible and should be included in the article Laky68 16:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Also known as

His only other names are Jigga, Jiggaman, Hov, Hova, and JayHova thats about it i'm taking the rest off —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thaslugga (talk • contribs) 18:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Beyonce loved you boy, and you see that or you is blind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.64.2 (talk) 16:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Jay-Z owns the New York Knicks, not the New Jersey Nets

I am sure that Sean does not own a team from N.J. but from N.Y.

no it's the Nets but he does want to move the team to brooklyn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.28.238.230 (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Showing Euros in new music video.

I think someone should mention that he complains about the weakness of the dollar and now he is showing Euros in his new video which is NOT a leader.

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7097736.stm

Ghettobeamer 16:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe people buy his shit music anyway. B

Rosario Dawson in "Change Clothes" Video

I know under personal relationship there is speculation on whether he dated Rosario Dawson. Well, Rosario Dawson is in his "Change Clothes" music video at the end! I think that should be included in this post. There's a lot of other celebrities in it including: (A) Naomi Campbell, Pharrell, Mos Def, Russell Simmons, Eva Pigford, Damon Dash, Kimora Lee Simmons, Beanie Siegal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermkd (talk • contribs) 10:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Broken reference link

Reference #22 - http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/archive/archive/tm_objectid=16226328%26method=full%26siteid=62484-name_page.html is broken as of 2007-12-13 VoltageX (talk) 11:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC) ...And fixed VoltageX (talk) 11:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Jay-Z Leaves Def Jam

After months of countless rumors and speculation surrounding Jay-Z’s future position with Def Jam, Jay-Z has announced that he will step down as the President of Def Jam Records.

Jay released the following statement today (December 24) that officially marks his resignation from his current position as President when his contract expires at the end of 2007.

“I’ve been incredibly fortunate to have served as President of such a culturally-defining label as Def Jam over the last three years. During that time, I’ve had the pleasure of working with many of the world’s most dynamic artists and many of the most dedicated and talented executives in the music business today, including [IDJMG Chairman/ CEO] Antonio “L.A.” Reid. But now it’s time for me to take on new challenges. I am pleased to have had the opportunity to build upon the Def Jam legacy, helping to move the company into a new era of artistic success.” – Jay-Z

While Jay has left his head job at Def Jam, he will remain running (and recording for) his Roc-A-Fella imprint, which is distributed by the Island Def Jam Music Group; headed by Chairman Antonio “L.A.” Reid, who had the following to say about Jay’s decision…

"While we regret his decision to move on, we certainly respect it. Since Jay joined us as President of Def Jam in 2005, we have all benefited from his leadership, sense of spirit and invaluable friendship. While he will continue to be one of our signature artists, he will nonetheless be missed in this executive capacity. The entire Island Def Jam family joins me in wishing him the very best in all of his future business endeavors.” – L.A. Reid

Jay-Z took over as President of Def Jam in 2005 and went on to sign former rival Nas. Jay also overlooked the release of hits from Ne-Yo, Rihanna, Kanye West and more; which earned 26 Grammy nominations for 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice3948 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

2002 TriBeCa Penthose purchase dispute

I see no mention of 2002 dispute between Peter Arnell and his former neighbors; Lynn Fisher-Hill and Lewis Taffer, over the possible sale of his $7.5 million penthouse in New York's TriBeCa neighborhood.

At height of this incident one neighbor was quoted as saying "It's not just that Jay-Z is controversial, he's dangerous...We wouldn't care if someone controversial like Howard Stern wanted to move in. And we're outraged that a top agency like Insignia Douglas Elliman would even be showing the property to someone like Jay-Z."

Though the sale of the apartment was finally closed in Sept. 29 2004, it did bring to light how affluent African-Americans in the hip-hop community are at times ostracized by wealthy White Americans.

Jay-Z made no formal comment in regards to this matter, though in several records he touched on the matter. Most notably in the track "Diamond Is Forever" off the album "Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse".

Its true how society dont want me to move Into the penthouse building with spectacular views Theyre like uhh, hes a menace he could never be a tenant Im like ooh, whats a young nigga to do? I bring the brothers to the building give a feeling that I dont Give a fuck we just chillin watchin chandelier ceilings high as fuck Old lady, dont blow my high specially if you dont know my life, dont make me bring Sharpton in it cause Im dark-skinneded or Dude with the fro and the rainbow coalition, ima Victim of a single parent household, born in a mousehole steneshia Mousetrap, niggaz wanna know How so, how jay get up out that, here, yeah

Sources for the above can be found by viewing the articles linked to below.

$6.85 M. Tribeca Deal in Hip-Hop Hustle

Sabotage Alleged In Jay-z Apartment Suit

Neighbors rapping rapper

-Joe C nice (talk) 21:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Still D.R.E

Yo poeple, whole lotta shit about still d.r.e being ghostwritten by Hov, but d'y'all ever listen to THe Watcher 2?, We give dre his props but that's where it stops. Tell me what you think about it...

jay - z just died in your arms —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.136.80.174 (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Dre doesn't write rhymes, he always gets ghoast writers. Jay-z wrote the majority of 2001, with a few track written by snoop. Ice Cube wrote the majority of Chronic, with a few tracks from Snoop. Ice Cube also wrote Dre's lyrics in NWA. Jay-z also wrote his verse on the Watcher.

I don't really believe all those ghostwriting allegations past N.W.A. cause Dre never said it was true, plus jay could have only helped him writing, not writing the whole song, there ain't no jay-z flow in dre's lyrics, plus jay-z completely denies ghostwriting for dre on <<THE WATCHER 2>> saying We give dre his props but that's where it stops. I would like to know more on the subject before judging.

(Juicejones 00:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC))

Look in the booklet of 2001, I believe Still Dre says written by S. Carter.

His name is under "WRITERS" but there's nothing saying that he wrote the whole song or ghostwritten for him. i don't believe he has been ghostwritten since N.W.A., nothing but rumors. I want those allegations to be taken off beacuse there is no real proof of it. Find a link or something to prove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.199.144.87 (talk) 03:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)