Talk:Javier Aguirre

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2010 WC controversy

Ok, this section is turning into an edit war and I think we should try to reach a consensus before the page gets semi protected or something worse. Maybe rewrite the original text and making it more neutral?; perhaps adding more opinions which add balance to the section?. --Odiseo79 (talk) 03:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell this section describes an actual controversy that exists in Mexico about Aguirre's tenure as Coach of the national team in the 2010 world cup. There is no disputing that the controversy exists and the section describes what that controversy is about. That's it. One of the editors seems to keenly want this section gone, but has not given a good justification for why. Thus any attempt to get rid of this section, which is well-written and properly sourced, smacks of censorship. I and other Wikipedia users will not let that happen. The section is tagged for neutrality but that needs to be justified too, on the talk page (since that is what the neutrality tag says). --User:71.232.17.137 (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that the section describes the controversy as it is. The sources are reliable, it summarizes Aguirre's polemic decisions and I don't see anything libelous or defamatory in it. Now, there is an editor, User:GoPurpleNGold24 who is disputing the neutrality of it and that's why I tagged it. Perhaps if he or she could tell us which specific parts of the section he(she) finds inappropiate we could reach a consensus and end the dispute. But it's difficult to reach a consensus if he or she keeps deleting the whole section without talking it first. --Odiseo79 (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the efforts at consensus. But the editor that you mention is not interested in discussion, only in getting rid of the section entirely. The section describes a well-known controversy in Mexico and I don't see any neutrality issues. It does not present an opinion on Aguirre. It only discusses the controversy itself (that is the title of the section). The only way that there could be a neutrality issue here is if an editor argues that there is no controversy, or that there is a controversy but it is about other things. Other than that, any attempt to remove this section is an act of censorship. That will not be allowed to happen. --User:71.232.17.137 (talk) 19:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I still think the neutrality tag should be erased. It has not been justified. One editor has tried to delete the section without giving good reason. That is not enough for a neutrality tag. The section describes a controversy, I don't see any neutrality issues. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.103.18.24 (talk)

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