Talk:Jacquelyn Ottman

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This article was nominated for deletion on 3 November 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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{hangon} The person about whom this entry is about is a notable figure. She has written two books and has received noteworthy prizes. Additionally, I am trying to clean up the page so that it is not "blatant advertising". This was not my intention. I would like the article to be as unbiased and factual as possible.Green31569 (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you clarify what the noteworthy prizes were as they are not mentioned in the article? Fæ (talk) 20:39, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis of sources

Based on a request on my talk page, the associated deletion discussion and an IRC conversation, I have reviewed each source in the current article to assess if they demonstrate notability as defined by WP:BIO and are reliable sources to meet the guidance of WP:BLP. The 11 sources are assessed below.

"Interview" (.html). The Journal of Sustainable Product Design. Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
? This is an interview with Ottman in a journal so it is a reliable source. However it does little beyond re-hashing her profile as an expert in this field and does little to establish why she would be considered notable in the sense of impact on the historic record.
"Read Excerpts" (.html). Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This is a book advert website which mentions Ottman as a "Green marketing expert" once and would be considered a tangential mention as it does not discuss her notability. It is not a reliable source.
"Green Marketing Myopia and the SunChips Snacklash" (.html). Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This is a joint blog entry by Ottman with Mark Eisen. It is not an independent reliable source.
"SB'07 Speakers" (.html). Retrieved June 2008. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This is a list of speakers at a 2007 trade conference. Ottman is one of many, it does not make any of the participants notable for an encyclopaedia.
"Jacquelyn Ottman" (.html). Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This is Ottman's blog, it is not a reliable source to establish her notability.
"How to Market Goods As Environmentally Friendly" (.pdf). The Wall Street Journal Center For Entrepreneurs Startup Journal. Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ Ottman's website has this pdf file. It is a paper by P. Thomas though it is unclear if this journal has articles published by the WSJ or not. The paper quotes Ottman as a sales consultant but does not establish why she would be considered worth quoting.
"LIFE CYCLE ASSESSMENT FORUM" (.pdf). Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ These are minutes of a meeting of a forum for the Department of Agriculture. Ottman took part by asking some questions of the panel, however of itself it does not explain why she would be notable.
"Jacquelyn Ottman" (.html). Retrieved June 2008. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This appears to be an agency website with a very brief profile. It is not independent and not a reliable source.
"True Green?" (.html). Adweek. Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ Article in Adweek where Ottman is mentioned once for a brief quote. It does not establish her notability.
"Sustainable Brands Conference Program of Events" (.pdf). Retrieved November 2010. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ A conference agenda which shown Ottman was one of many participants at this industry event.
"Avoiding Green Marketing Myopia". Environment. Heldref Publications. Retrieved June 2008. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
✗ This is Ottman's own list of articles on her own website, it is not independent.

In conclusion, the many sources recently added to the article are mostly a result of a marketing expert using the media to generate publicity for their own consultancy business. After striking off the compromised sources due to not being independent or otherwise unreliable, there is nothing that can demonstrate the impact on the historic record needed for encyclopaedic notability. There may be grounds for an article about the company rather than the person on the basis that some of the consulting contracts claimed might be notable, however the criteria of WP:ORG would need to be met. Fæ (talk) 23:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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