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Were the Souterliedekens really his most famous work during his lifetime?

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Currently, the article states: 'He was a prolific composer in many of the current styles, and was [emphasis mine] especially famous for his polyphonic settings of the psalms in Dutch known as the Souterliedekens.' I know that he is 'especially' well-known for these nowadays, because they constitute a very early example of a complete set of polyphonic vernacular psalm settings (although some of the settings are actually Tielman Susato's, Clemens appearing to have died not long before publication), but in his own day, it seems that he was most famous for his motets and chansons, some of which were well-known all over Europe. I unfortunately do not have access to the Grove article cited here (and I do not want to commit the sin of OR by imposing my own impression of what he was most famous for on the article), but could someone check to see whether Grove really states that he was, rather than is, 'especially famous' for the Souterliedekens? As a personal sidenote, I find it rather unfortunate that he is mostly known for the Souterliedekens, as they are not a great example of his style: they only have three voices while he usually worked with more, and, more importantly, one of these voices always renders the pre-existing Souterliedekens melody verbatim, including ornamental figurations that are often quite uncharacteristic of Clemens. 133.45.197.77 (talk) 01:30, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]