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A few nitpicks with the article I'd like to discuss changing

I don't believe this is an instance where being bold would be more beneficial than disruptive, and would likely lead to a discussion anyway. So, lets start with one.

1. Change the lead sentence (back) to "Jack the Ripper is the name given to an unidentified serial killer...."
This article is both about what little is known of the person and the de-facto legend that came about it. Fronting the (unknown) individual in the lead seems less applicable to the article as a whole. Basically, we have Jack the Ripper (the unidentified person) and Jack the Ripper (the legend that exists as a result of the individual being unidentified), and the name covers both these things in its scope. The individual is not the legend if that makes sense. This change would better reflect the full scope. It's splitting hairs for sure, but this reads as an improvement to me.

2. Motive: Unknown (possibly sexual sadism and/or rage) => Motive: Unknown
Within the body it says psychologists have suggested that the penetration of the victims with a knife and "leaving them on display in sexually degrading positions with the wounds exposed" indicates that the perpetrator derived sexual pleasure from the attacks.^[1]^[2] This view is challenged by others, who dismiss such hypotheses as insupportable supposition.^[3] Given this is challenged information, I don't think it's appropriate for the infobox without some sort of indication of being challenged by other RS, in which it would be pointless to have altogether in the infobox. So, I propose the removal of the second part. DarmaniLink (talk) 20:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I've no problem with either of these edits, or even the removal of the motive parameter. DrKay (talk) 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll make the changes with a "per talk" edit summary, and hopefully, if anyone has a problem with them, they can tell me why. This is at my level of incompetence, but, having someone with history on this page approve tells me it's probably fine. Wanted to be extra-extra careful since this is an FA. AFAICT, the unknown motive is part of his notability. DarmaniLink (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This reads like a pet project written by someone who wants to keep the mystery open.

Kominski - the guy who was caught red handed effectively admitted his guilt during inquest but the forensics were not fully understood. I have seen a recently retired Old Bailey judge tell a documentary that the evidence against him easily exceeds what would be needed to acquire a guilty verdict now. Let alone the circumstantial evidence which is massive; almost took perfect. A point on that - he was a Pickfords meat delivery man, not a barber. This article reads like a weird cover up to protect an industry. 4321Dicko (talk) 15:55, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Read then talk page archive. Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The meat delivery industry?Halbared (talk) 16:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not get that far into their post, its a new one on me, this seems to be confusing Kosminki with Cross. Slatersteven (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to rectify the fact that Jack the Ripper is unidentified as they had done DNA tests that tell us who he is 2A00:23C7:BB94:5B00:9DC3:591C:76BE:E4A2 (talk) 15:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which have also been widely criticized. Slatersteven (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

citation 164

is a tour guide a valid source? 34felonies (talk) 05:12, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source 163 appears to be an article in science. Slatersteven (talk) 11:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, I meant 164, https://www.jack-the-ripper.org/walter-sickert.htm 34felonies (talk) 00:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a tour guide. Slatersteven (talk) 12:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"The text, photographs and videos on this page are the copyright of Richard Jones.

They may not be reproduced in any form without the written consent of the copyright holder."

when you do a google search for Richard Jones and Jack the Ripper: "As the founder of the original Aldgate East Jack the Ripper tour, Richard Jones is one of London's most experienced tour guides and he has been conducting walks.."

Sounds like a tour guide to me. 34felonies (talk) 00:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He maybe, the site is not. It might have been best if you had said this from the off. [[1]] [[2]] [[3]], rather more than just a tour guide. Slatersteven (talk) 09:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

^ Cite error: The named reference Keppel was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ See also later contemporary editions of Richard von Krafft-Ebing's Psychopathia Sexualis, quoted in Woods and Baddeley, p. 111
^ Evans and Rumbelow, pp. 187–188, 261; Woods and Baddeley, pp. 121–122

[Keppel-1] Cite error: The named reference Keppel was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[2] See also later contemporary editions of Richard von Krafft-Ebing's Psychopathia Sexualis, quoted in Woods and Baddeley, p. 111

[3] Evans and Rumbelow, pp. 187–188, 261; Woods and Baddeley, pp. 121–122

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