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Guinea-Bissau recognition/ unrecognition

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=05&dd=29&nav_id=104270

"Cassama added that Guinea Bissau has a firm stand on the issue of the territorial integrity of Serbia.

"Guinea-Bissau was at war for 11 years and we have no doubts on this issue. We will continue to support your country and support territorial integrity. We will also continue to support the UN resolution, and I will convey that to members of parliament and my colleagues when I return to the country," he said. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.222.36.84 (talk) 13:25, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

We have conflicting information. The last official information from the foreign ministry was when it sent representatives to Pristina earlier this year to reaffirm their recognition, which seemed fairly definitive. I've no idea how to explain the discrepancy, but I would think the safest line would be to follow what the foreign ministry says. If they affirm what Cassama has said, then we'll go with that. For now, I guess it's just his own opinion. - ILBobby (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

[4] the KS ambassdaor in Dakar calls it untrue and says he met with the government recently. (Link includes pictures of said meeting.) - ILBobby (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

A few days are to be waited till things become clearer. The IP is a sock of VJ-Yugo, as showed by previously collected evidence. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ktrimi991: WP:SPI is thataway <--- Please do not accuse editors of sockpuppeting on article talk pages. I agree that we should wait for more sources, though. byteflush _Talk 02:51, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

[5] more information - ILBobby (talk) 11:31, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

It's only proserbian propaganda.217.92.235.144 (talk) 18:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

The ambassador of Kosovo to Senegal presented his credentials in Bissau today as non-resident ambassador, thus establishing diplomatic relations, so I think we can consider this issue closed [6] - ILBobby (talk) 02:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

"Withdrawal of recognitions" section

There is no need for a "withdrawal" section because 3 out of the 4 never recognized Kosovo in the first place and the fourth is still questionable pending confirmation from that government. Nigeria and Uganda stated they had never recognized Kosovo. Sao Tome's government stated that the recognition was invalid since the government that extended it did not follow the legal process to do so, which rendered it null. The sudden appearance of this subsection would seem to have the intent of creating some sort of impression of a steady stream of "derecognitions," which is not the case for the reasons stated above. - ILBobby (talk) 00:47, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Addition of the section probably was done for political/Serbian partisan reasons, but a comparable section does exist on International Recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. I suggest finding some sources noting the non-withdrawals, make sure they're noted in the country response in the non-recognizing country table, and then delete them from the chart.Astrofreak92 (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Three out of the four were falsely reported to have recognised Kosovo, however it transpired that they never officially recognised Kosovo in the first place; therefore they cannot have withdrawn a recognition that never occurred in the first place. We have an archive on this talk page which has previously discussed this in depth. As things stand on our article, we currently include three countries that have "withdrawn" recognition, despite never recognising Kosovo initially. Not only is this misleading, it is factually incorrect. This is an encyclopaedia. Including false information undermines Wikipedia. IJA (talk) 00:00, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I do recall the discussions in the talk page back in the day. The solution is probably to delete the 3 misleading countries from the table, correct? I can just do that now. Astrofreak92 (talk) 03:48, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

There is.

Liberia has withdraw its recognition and should also be deleted from list of countries that recognoize Kosovo as idependent state. http://rs.n1info.com/a397834/English/NEWS/Liberia-annuls-recognition-of-Kosovo.html 93.86.193.249 (talk) 16:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Liberia

Serbian foreign minister claims that today, Liberia withdrew the recognition of Kosovo. Kosovo government claims that it's "fake news", as usual in those situations. I think we should wait few days for further development. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I think that, just like Guinea-Bissau, it is disinformation. - ILBobby (talk) 22:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

We have now photos ([7]) of Liberian foreign minister Gbehzohngar Milton Findley handing a note to Serbian Foreign minister Dačić. Is there any objection to moving Liberia to the list of states that have revoked recognition? Vanjagenije (talk) 11:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

References

I object. This sort of thing has happened before, the Serbian media announces to great hooplah that a recognition has been taken from Kosovo, then it turns out not to be true. The Liberian foreign ministry's website, which is up-to-date, has no mention of it [8]. When the Liberians affirm it publicly, that will be the time to edit. - ILBobby (talk) 23:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Here is some non-Serbian source. "the Serbian media announces to great hooplah that a recognition has been taken from Kosovo, then it turns out not to be true" please give me an example. MilosHaran (talk) 23:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Xinhua is simply repeating the original story. - ILBobby (talk) 01:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Here's some Liberian source. MilosHaran (talk) 23:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

They are also repeating the original story with nothing added. - ILBobby (talk) 01:11, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Here is a video link were minister of FA of Liberia confirmed it. According to some editors here even Liberian authorities know nothing about politics in their own country --ΝικόλαςΜπ. (talk) 09:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Minister of FA of Liberia is not good source... we should have confirmation from Behgjet Pacolli :v — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.126.149 (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Liberian foreign ministry released a statement reaffirming ties with Kosovo [9]:

"The Government of the Republic of Liberia wishes to refute reports in some international and social media of its revocation of diplomatic relations with the Republic of Kosovo.

According to a Foreign Ministry release, Liberia was one of the first countries to recognize Kosovo’s sovereignty on May 30, 2008 following its declaration of independence, and remains committed to the Joint Communiqué on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations. The two countries continue to enjoy mutual confidence and friendship." - ILBobby (talk) 10:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Recognition and diplomatic relations are two different things. Belgrade has diplomatic talks with Kosovo representatives, but it does not recognize Kosovo as an independent country. Greece accepts Kosovo passports, though it does not recognize Kosovo as independent. Therefore, Liberia has withdrawn recognition of Kosovo, while reaffirming diplomatic relations. Liberia should go to the withdrawn recognition column. --UrbanVillager (talk) 18:58, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and is absurd. Kosovo has diplomatic relations with Liberia - diplomatic relations are official government-to-government relations; you can't have diplomatic relations with a state you don't recognize. The Liberian MFA statement is definitive in that normal relations, and recognition, continue. - ILBobby (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Foreign minister Behgjet Pacolli was in Monrovia on the 27 June and met with the Liberian president George Weah who promised to open a Liberian embassy in Pristina and reaffirmed its recognition of Kosovo. [10].Resnjari (talk) 10:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

This gives right to my concerns expressed earlier that the Kosovo and Serbian governments alone are not reliable, though making changes without consensus or several reliable sources has messed this article. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Guinea-Bissau

Guinea-Bissau don't recognize Kosovo anymore (source). The only source which says that they recognized Kosovo again is the Pacolli's Twitter account (what a reliable source!). Please fix that! MilosHaran (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

1) That story is from a month ago. 2) The KS ambassador preented his credentials in Bissau on 19 June [11] - ILBobby (talk) 01:12, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

And Serbian minister says he got confirmation Guinea-Bissau is still not recognizing Kosovo as independent state. I think that this disputed states that have not clear position (Guinea Bissau, Liberia) should be in separate part of article. Not in states that recognize or states that have withdrawn recognition. It should be in part with unclear position. --Јованвб (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Presenting credentials in Bissau [12] and standing with the president of Liberia in Monrovia [13] are conclusive that nothing has changed and the stories are untrue. - ILBobby (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

current situation

Now this is a serbian propaganda page.217.92.235.144 (talk) 20:02, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Based on what exactly? If you do not lake the state of facts, you are simply in the wrong place. Mm.srb (talk) 21:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

YOU are in the wrong place serbian troll.217.92.235.144 (talk) 16:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Papua New Guinea

Papua New Guinea is the latest state which Serbia claims has withdrawn recognition. Here's a copy of the note: [14]. TDL (talk) 23:12, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Again fake news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.235.144 (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Agree. There's been no further news other than Dacic holding up the note a couple of weeks ago. - ILBobby (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

People have to be serious, Papua New Guinea has its own problems with separatism http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Bougainvillean_independence_referendum,_2019 It is highly problematic for this country to support Kosovo's independence.

Please add Papua New Guinea to Withdrwan recognition. Here is the interview of PNG foreign minister where the withdrwal is confirmed https://sputniknews.com/interviews/201811141069786451-papua-new-guinea-russia/

SMO of Malta

According to this source Sovereign Military Order of Malta never ever recognised independence of Kosovo --ΝικόλαςΜπ. (talk) 16:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I removed SMOM from the list of "Other states and entities" that recognize independence of Kosovo. The source that was used to support the claim (see archived version here) is dubious. It does not mention the "Sovereign Military Order of Malta", but "Malta’s Order of Templars" (SMOM are Knights Hospitaller, not Knights Templar). Also, on the photo, the Flag of Malta is clearly visible. SMOM does not use the Flag of Malta, but it has it's own flag. Thus, I removed this claim until more reliable source is found. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2018

8 countries have withdrawn recognition of "Kosovo" and they aren't added on the list, it would be nice to append Papua New Guinea, Dominica, São Tomé and Príncipe, Liberia, Lesotho and Guinea-Bissau to list of widthdrawn recognitions, where Suriname and Burundi are right now Djordje200179 (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Djordje200179:  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I concur that there are several editors whose sole purpose is to propagandize and support the article being protected. - ILBobby (talk) 14:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Withdrawn recognitions

"change Withdrawn recognitions"

On Friday November the 2nd, Serbia's First Deputy PM and Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic announced that The Commonwealth of Dominica, a Caribbean state, revoked its recognition of Kosovo as an independent state.

Pbubalo (talk) 00:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Pbubalo:  Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:19, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Withdrawn recognitions

please change change Withdrawn recognitions to include the following

On Friday November the 2nd, Serbia's First Deputy PM and Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic announced that The Commonwealth of Dominica, a Caribbean state, revoked its recognition of Kosovo as an independent state.

Pbubalo (talk) 00:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

• The information about that is already in the article. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Numbering the non-recognition table

@Pixius: This idea was proposed several years ago and was dismissed as being neither a logical idea nor a useful feature. Non-recognitions do not occur in any order, so there is no reason to number them. The alphabetization of the list takes care of any ordering that is needed. Furthermore, the break up of the alphabetical list into individual letters, with each initial letter being separately accessible was decided upon as being useful to those looking for particular countries. If you want to change the page to number this table you need to demonstrate a new consensus to do so. --Khajidha (talk) 00:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

About numbering: Talk:International_recognition_of_Kosovo/Archive_36#All_Tables_Need_Numbering About splitting the table: Talk:International_recognition_of_Kosovo/Archive_39#Splitting_the_table

Warning to users ILBobby and Khajidha

Please return to NPOV stance immediately. You are not a official of court here to decide if something is valid or not. If you have announcement from any of the parties involved, both Kosovar or Serbian, they have to be taken into account. Due too the sole nature of Kosovo's independence you cannot expect that some British or USA media will air the messages to commoners about recognition withdrawal.

If you continue to pursue this self assumed role you will be reported to the Arbitration Committee and your rights within page may/will be removed/revoked.

Pixius (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

The Serbian government cannot unilaterally decide on which countries have withdrawn recognition of Kosovo and its statements should not be edited into the article without confirmation by outside sources.

Furthermore you are not an authority on this subject to be issuing warnings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanLeandoer (talk • contribs) 04:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Lesotho

Serbian Foreign Ministry has released video of Lesotho Foreign Minister handing a note about revoking the recognition [15]. Is there any reason not to move Leostho to the "Withdrawn recognition" section? Vanjagenije (talk) 20:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Typically, these stories turn out to be unsubstantiated or are directly refuted, as with Ghana, Guinea-Bissau and Liberia. In the case of Liberia, the very same thing was done - the FM visited, handed Dacic a piece of paper, the media made a big deal about it, then the Liberian government rather emphatically denied it had withdrawn recognition. - ILBobby (talk) 23:07, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

It was agreed here to move Suriname and Burundi to "Withdrawn recognition", so I don't see what is "typical". Vanjagenije (talk) 23:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, Suriname had fairly wide consensus. Burundi was less so. This is not settled. As I said, this seems like a retread of Liberia. Let's wait and see what happens in the coming days before we make any change. ETA: The Lesotho government homepage has an up-to-date news section and this has not made it onto it [16] (The press relesaes section hasn't been updated since August). - ILBobby (talk) 23:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

The recognition of Kosovo by Lesotho is a matter between those two countries. The Serbian Foreign Ministry has nothing relevant to say about it. Or do you think, for example, that the US State Department has the authority to say that Russia does or does not recognize Brazil? --Khajidha (talk) 17:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Khajidha: The video shows a document signed by the Foreign Minister of Lesotho. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Any note about Lesotho's position on Kosovo needs to come either 1) directly from Lesotho (on their own webpage or as a general media release) or 2) from Kosovo. End of discussion. --Khajidha (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

No, it does not. Serbia provided argument that Lesotho withdrew recognition. Ball is in your court to prove that it did not. If you cannot do that I suggest we move Lesotho to the section of the countries that have withdrew recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 22:47, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Serbia has no standing in this. I could produce a document tomorrow that Serbia belongs to the Klingon Empire. It would mean nothing. Just as Serbia saying Lesotho has rescinded recognition means nothing. --Khajidha (talk) 22:12, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

No, Serbia has standing in this because Serbia claims Kosovo is part of its territory. Klingon Empire is not real, Kingdom of Lesotho is. I doubt it means nothing, I have not seen Lesotho denying it. Serbia saying that Lesotho rescinded recognition means something because Serbia is one of the parties involved in this issue and has provided proof for the withdrawal, the note that Minister of Lesotho gave to Begrade. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Serbia still has no standing to say whether Lesotho recognizes Kosovo. Anything Serbia says is just hearsay. If you want to know whether country A recognizes country B you ASK country A or country B, NOT country C. This is not complicated. --Khajidha (talk) 23:41, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

No, Serbia has standing to say that because Serbia is one of the parties involved in this issue. No, what Serbia said is not hearsay because Serbia provided proof, the note in which Lesotho revokes recognition of Kosovo. Country A already said that they do not recognize country B, with the note and the visit to Belgrade to deliver the note. Country B will be provided with the copy of the note too, you can look that up in the news. No, country C has a say if country C is also involved. It is not complicated, I have explained it several times. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Unless and until we see something DIRECTLY from Lesotho or Kosovo, we have no reason to believe it. --Khajidha (talk) 00:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

You could have looked that up yourself. Here [17] we have Lesotho minister Lesego Makgothi of Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Relations of Lesotho DIRECTLY handing over the note (which revokes Kosovo independence) to minister Ivica Dacic. If you have no counterargument I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 08:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Dacic is a Serbian politician, so this is not us getting something directly from Lesotho. Direct notice from Lesotho to the world at large or notice from Kosovo to the world at large. How hard is that to understand?--Khajidha (talk) 09:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I have provided evidence for those things in the link above. If you have no real arguments or any other evidence I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 10:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, that link is SERBIA telling the world that Lesotho says such and such. Show me a link from Lesotho itself, without Serbia. --Khajidha (talk) 10:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, I have provided evidence for my claim. As for your claim - the burden of proof is on you. If you cannot provide that evidence I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, you have not. You have provided evidence that Serbia claims something. Where is the evidence from LESOTHO itself to the world at large? --Khajidha (talk) 11:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Again, yes I have. Evidence from Lesotho is in that link, with the minister from Lesotho and the note itself. And again - the burden of proof to prove otherwise is on you. If you cannot provide such proof I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 11:10, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Let me put this bluntly, we need something entirely unconnected with Serbia. --Khajidha (talk) 11:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I'll repeat again - burden of proof for source not of Serbian origin is on you. And remember Serbia is one of the parties involved in this issue, it cannot be 'unconnected'. If you cannot provide such proof I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 11:43, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Serbia is NOT a party to Lesotho's recognition of Kosovo. Serbia is a party to a dispute between itself and Kosovo, but it is unconnected to any agreements between other countries and Kosovo.--Khajidha (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

That is what I said - Serbia is one of the parties involved in this issue. If you have no evidence to dispute the withdrawal of recognition I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Serbia is NOT a party to Lesotho's recognition of Kosovo. That is all that matters. This has come up again, and again, and again and it has always needed DIRECT word from the country supposedly rescinding recognition to be posted. DIRECT to the world, not to Serbia. --Khajidha (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I provided evidence for my claim. I fail to see how supposed "word to Serbia", made publicly, isn't also a word to the world. I haven't seen Lesotho denying their visit and the note. If you have any evidence that can disprove that claim, please bring that evidence up. Burden of proof is on you. Otherwise if you have no evidence I suggest we move Lesotho on the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 13:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: It has been more than a week. If there are no other arguments or counterarguments I ask that Lesotho be placed on the list of countries that have revoked their recognition of Kosovo's independence. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 08:22, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I think we should move Lesotho to "withdrawn". The only argument provided here against such move is that the information about withdrawal comes from the Serbian side. But, also, the only information cited in the article about the 2014 recognition comes from the Kosovo side. I don't see any Lesotho source confirming the recognition. So, using that logic, Lesotho should not even have been listed because as recognizing as there is no confirmation from Lesotho itself cited here. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Also, using that logic Oman should also be removed. It was mentioned before on talk page but it was not properly discussed and the sources for Oman are contradicting. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 21:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

And again, the point isn't that Serbian sources are ignored because they are Serbian, but that they are ignored because they aee not relevant. If you want to know if country A has recognized country B, then you ask coyntry A or country B. What country C has to say is irrelevant. --Khajidha (talk) 05:05, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Khajidha: Your logic is flawed. If Lesotho wants to revoke recognition, that means that Lesotho does not recognize Kosovo as independent any more (i.e. it recognizes Kosovo as part of Serbia, recognizes Serbia's sovereignty as claimed by Serbia). So, using your logic, that is between Lesotho and Serbia. What the government of Kosovo says is irrelevant because they have nothing to do with it. The fact that Lesotho recognizes Serbia's claim is just between Lesotho and Serbia, it has nothing to do with the government of Kosovo (note that I am using your logic). So, even if we use your arguments, it should be moved to "withdrawn". Vanjagenije (talk) 14:43, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: If Khajidha does not have any new source or evidence we should stop going in circles and remove Lesotho from the list of countries that recognize Kosovo as an independent country. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 22:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Vanjagenije, Serbia cannot unilaterally decide whether or not a country has recognized Kosovo or not, especially since the government of Lesotho has not reported on it themselves. By your logic, Serbia could report the USA has withdrawn recognition of Kosovo without a US press release, and that would be sufficient evidence. I will be reporting your edit to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanLeandoer (talk • contribs) 05:05, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Why is this IP still allowed here?217.92.235.144 (talk) 14:40, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Egypt

https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=01&dd=09&nav_id=103225

Because there are no written sources on Egypt's recognition of the so called Kosovo state, I think the map should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkytteholmarN (talk • contribs) 06:37, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Even the source on "Egypt's recognition" doesn't excist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkytteholmarN (talk • contribs) 06:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

The source doesn't say that Egypt never recognized. Diplomatic notes are not mandatory, even if standard. The source says that Egypt "could reconsider its decision to recognize Kosovo", implying that it current still recognizes. If and when it withdraws recognition it should be mentioned, but I don't see anything in that source which deserves mention at this point. TDL (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Present source is down, plus Egypt has not officially recognized Kosovo. Mm.srb (talk) 10:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

The source is archived, and the archive works fine. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Comoros

Comoros had withdrawn its decision to recognise Kosovo as an independent state. [18] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.69.5.35 (talk) 10:37, 10 November 2018 (UTC) Another source that implicitly confirms that Union of Comoros withdrawn recognition: Lavrov castigates West for double standards on Kosovo, Mayotte — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:9A0:7:1633:1CF7:F102:8EA6:F57D (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

This source explicitly confirms withdrawal of recognition from Comoros: Russia Welcomes Comoros' Decision To Withdraw Kosovo Recognition - Foreign Minister, and also [19]. I think Comoros should be moved to "withdrawn" now. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:53, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I think your fakeaccount should be withdrawn from wikipedia.217.92.235.144 (talk) 21:12, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Neither Comoros, Grenada, nor Lesotho's government have stated withdrawn recognition of Kosovo. Only Serbia has reported on it, and the Serbian government has a history of providing fake news regarding withdrawn recognition of Kosovo such as in the case of Liberia. The withdrawn recognition list's last three entries are a result of Serbian users editing the article without evidence, some of the citations are irrelevantly linked to give the appearance of a highly cited article. I will be editing these unsourced withdrawals out and will call for mediation on this article if necessary as it has been defaced by Serbian users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonLeandoer (talk • contribs) 21:30, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Grenada

According to the latest source [20] Grenada has decided to withdraw its recognition of Kosovo until Belgrade and Pristina reach an agreement. The source is Radio Television of Vojvodina and at the end of article there is a video which shows minister of foreign affairs of Grenada Peter David signing a note which revokes recognition of Kosovo and the note itself.

With this new source I ask that Grenada be added to the list of countries that have withdrawn the recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Kosovo has diplomatic relations with Grenada, so this is not as simple as you portray. First, they would have to break diplomatic relations, then withdraw recognition. Both could be done simultaneously, but if it only says recognition was withdrawn, that would show a lack of understanding of the legal relationship that already exists beween Kosovo and Grenada. - ILBobby (talk) 00:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Neither Kosovo nor Grenada itself have reported on this withdrawal of recognition. The Serbian government cannot unilaterally decide which nations have recognized Kosovo or not. So there is no evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanLeandoer (talk • contribs) 05:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

This has been discussed at length multiple times on this talk page. Serbian government did not unilaterally decide anything. Serbian government provided note from Grenada which revokes recognition of Kosovo. The link provided in this section leads to a news site with video evidence of minister of Grenada Peter David signing the note. That is the evidence. To claim there is no evidence would simply not be true. News site is also quoting Peter David who is repeating what the note says. Other foreign news agencies have also reported that Grenada withdrew recognition. I highly doubt such "fake news" would spread that easily. I have not seen or heard Grenada claiming otherwise or denying they revoked recognition of Kosovo. If you have reliable evidence that says otherwise, please, provide it. If not we should move Grenada to the list of countries that have revoked recognition. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 10:57, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije: One week has passed since topic of Grenada was open. I have not seen any new arguments or sources presented that would counter the claim that Grenada withdrew recognition of Kosovo. In light of the latest source and the time given for discussion I believe that Grenada should be moved to the list of countries that have revoked recognition of Kosovo. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 12:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I think that we have the sources and plus enough time has passed for the opposing side to prove if it is otherwise. Thank you. Mm.srb (talk) 21:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Grenada voted against Kosovo Interpol's bid. https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=11&dd=21&nav_id=105568 Although it is not linked with recognition issue because there were cases in both direction, I think it is one more argument that Grenada really retracted its recognition. In case of Liberia and Guinea Bissau the we had withdrawal and than rerecognition, this page is loosing reputation since it ignores strong evidences.

Judging the established lack of credibility and fake news, one should not base edits only on Serbian diplomats and Serbian newspapers, unless it is backed up by undeniable evidence and neutral sources. In this case we have one statement by the Serbian minister stating Granada is "reconsidering position". One should also diligently check the links of other "withdrawn" recognitions? E.g. for Lesotho we have just one Serbian newspaper page as a source. 2003:C0:6F13:E473:D1A9:9D79:22AC:2719 (talk) 00:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

First off, register and edit Wikipedia so we could speak as two fellow Wikipedians. Second, sources are valid, including CNN's N1. If you scroll down to the vidio on the link of Serbian ministry you can see the signed document. Of course other medias are not keen to put these informations forward, because in that is not in their interest and it has no big importance to them. Case of Grenada is pretty clear. Dominca should be discussed next. Mm.srb (talk) 09:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Solomon Islands revoke recognition of Kosovo's independence

According to Kosovo's own media, the Soloman Islands have informed Kosovan officials that they have revoked their recognition of Kosovo's independence.

https://www.koha.net/arberi/132175/ekskluzive-ishujt-solomon-e-njoftojne-qeverine-e-kosoves-per-terheqjen-e-njohjes/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Полковник (talk • contribs) 07:23, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Dominica, Dominica

It's been a while now since we had clear sources stating that Dominica no longes sees Kosovo as an independent state. I think that an edit is necessary. Thougths? Mm.srb (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Dominica no longer recognizes the independence of Kosovo and I do not see the reason why this hasn't changed so far. 93.86.195.84 (talk) 00:35, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Madagascar withdraw recognition

Madagascar withdraw recognition of Kosovo’s independence http://rs.n1info.com/English/NEWS/a442098/So-far-12-countries-have-withdrawn-recognition-of-Kosovo-Madagascar-to-be-the-last-Belgrade-says.html https://voiceofpeopletoday.com/madagascar-withdraw-recognition-of-kosovos-independence-reports/ http://prntscr.com/ls10x8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frosty381 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Madagascar

Madagascar no longer recognizes Kosovo - https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=12&dd=07&nav_id=105705 Mm.srb (talk) 12:51, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

https://www.srbijadanas.com/sites/default/files/338515/tan2018-12-7_11456193_0.jpg --В и к и T 13:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Please stop the serbian propaganda.217.92.235.144 (talk) 15:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

This is not Serbian propaganda, these are facts, it's just the case that you do not like them. We have the sources, edits are in order. Mm.srb (talk) 18:10, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Solomon Islands question

The Republic of Kosovo and Solomon Islands have diplomatic relations and the revolution of the recognition is not valid.http://www.sibconline.com.sb/solomons-kosovo-established-diplomatic-ties/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.162.127.106 (talk) 12:28, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

If you read the text carefully, you can conclude that this article was written at the moment of the recognition, which is old news. Mm.srb (talk) 21:28, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Madagascar revokes recognition of Kosovo

"We have received a note from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Madagascar, informing us that the decision was made on December 5," First Deputy PM and Foreign Minister of Serbia Ivica Dacic told Tanjug on Friday. [21] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.160.79.23 (talk) 18:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

This is really annoying and against basic principles of wikipedia, this news is even shared by Western media [22] [23] [24] I really do not see the point of this neglectfulness of the proven facts of withdrawn recognition. Please, add in the footnote that Peru voted against Kosovo's membership in Interpol https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2018&mm=11&dd=21&nav_id=105568 and Peru and Ivory Coast stated that formation of Kosovo army is illegal few days ago [25] There are much more arguments to check who really recognized Kosovo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.243.28.172 (talk) 22:57, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Move these countries to Derecognitions

Everyone- I know emotions can get high on this topic. But this is not a technically not a forum. We need to discuss how to best improve this article. In which I am in proposal to move the following countries to the derecognized column

Madagascar- https://twitter.com/PegioBelgrade/status/1071003598065188864/photo/1 http://rs.n1info.com/English/NEWS/a442098/So-far-12-countries-have-withdrawn-recognition-of-Kosovo-Madagascar-to-be-the-last-Belgrade-says.html

Dominica- This one was announced during a meeting with FM Dacic and Dominica's deputy PM. Every letter that has been saying they still maintain relations has been dated to 2012 when Dominica did recognize Kosovo. This comes off as a state of denial. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrA79mcWsAEQGun.jpg:large http://www.mfa.gov.rs/en/press-service/statements/18306-commonwealth-of-dominica-revokes-recognition-of-kosovo https://www.gazetaexpress.com/en/news/no-withdrawal-of-recognition-from-dominica-says-kosovo-s-foreign-ministry-174548/

Guinea Bissau- (Litterally came from the PM during his visit to Serbia in a press conference) https://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2017&mm=11&dd=17&nav_id=102832 http://www.mfa.gov.rs/en/press-service/statements/17186-prime-minister-of-the-republic-of-guinea-bissau-denies-that-the-country-has-recognized-kosovo

Liberia- This one is tricky, their own Foreign Minister said they de-recognized Kosovo, though their MFA website noted they still maintain relations. I think we can interpret this as being similar to the US relationship with Taiwan. We do not recognized it as a country (even if it is defacto) though we maintain relations with it. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/21/c_137268758.htm https://www.rferl.org/a/flare-up-between-kosovo-and-serbia-after-liberian-gaffe/29314209.html http://www.mofa.gov.lr/public2/2press.php?news_id=3108&related=7&pg=sp

I really cannot comment on the issue of Papua New Guinea

Again- please try to maintain good manners when discussing this topic and do not call others trolls or page vandals, or refer to these as "Fake News" just because you do not like it. But unless someone has a good reason not to (and saying that something that was presented by a MFA from Serbia or Kosovo cannot be considered legitimate does not count- if a country really did not revoke recognition they would be vocal about it and not just refer to the Kosovo gov to fight about it)- I would propose we move these countries to the other Withdrawn Recognition column in the next few days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.47.53 (talk) 16:51, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

I think it's time to move Guinea Bissau to the derecognized column. 178.221.75.254 (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Serbian government is not a reliable source for withdrawn recognition

Serbia has claimed nine countries have withdrawn recognition of Kosovo, when in actuality only two have been confirmed to do so (Suriname and Burundi). The governments of Liberia and Dominica for example have gone through their government websites/spokespeople to reaffirm recognition, yet Serbia's minister of foreign affairs, Ivica Dačić, still states that Liberia for example has withdrawn recognition. Whether or not a country has recognized or withdrawn recognition of Kosovo should be reported by that country's government and more reliable media sources.

That said, there is no proof to list Lesotho as having withdrawn recognition of Kosovo, and Kosovo's foreign ministry has refuted Serbia's statements. The same goes for the so called withdrawal of Grenada's recognition, which has again not been reported by Grenada nor confirmed by Kosovo. The user with the IP 37.1.207.70 has unilaterally edited the article with poorly sourced claims without correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonathanLeandoer (talk • contribs) 04:40, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Really? Official foreign ministry notes do not count as reliable sources? Because they are from Serbia? That is quite a bit racist stance. However, official government positions are certainly something that can not be avoided in the article, be it Indian nations during colonial wars, Serbia or any other nation targeted by racist imperialists and their wikipedia shills through history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.121.84.11 (talk) 10:13, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Serbia is not an impartial source since it opposes Kosovo independence and two of the countries mentioned by Serbia actually refuted Serbian claims. I think the others are simply not aware of Serbian claims.

To make this fare we should dismiss all 3rd party claims of recognition or non-recognition and restore the article to its previous state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.57.235 (talk) 18:04, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Sources for withdrawn recognition

There are two sources that claim that even UK official in Kosovo says that number of countries have already withdrawn their recognition of Kosovo:

Albanian source "Kosova Press" in English: Some countries have revoked Kosovo’s recognition

and United Nations source in English: Ambassador confirms withdrawal of recognitions (media), in UNMIK Media Observer

That doesn't specify what countries have withdrawn recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.57.235 (talk) 18:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Updete the Positions taken by intergovernmental organisations

OIC, CARICOM, the UN — Preceding unsigned comment added by Albanian92 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Oman

The Sultanate of Oman and its recognition of Kosovo have some conflicting sources, which are listed under "Notes".

On one side we have Kosovo claiming that Oman recognized them as independent country, back in February 2011. Along with that source we have statement made by Oman's Foreign Minister Yusuf bin Alawi bin Abdullah that his country recognized Kosovo as independent (statement from 2011). Both sources are from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kosovo and neither of the two links seem to be directing to the right source.

On the other side we have a claim from September, 2011 given by deputy Foreign Minister Petrit Selimi that "Oman never recognised us". Along with that we also have a book by James Ker-Lindsay who also claims that Oman did not recognize Kosovo. The book also has a source for its claim on page 124. Both links are working. There are also several Serbian sources not listed here quoting then Minister of Foreign Affairs Vuk Jeremic (September 2011) who said that Oman never recognized Kosovo.

If the sources are this conflicting or unclear I propose we move Oman from "Recognize" to "Entities that do not recognize Kosovo as an independent state" until situation becomes clear. 37.1.207.70 (talk) 16:04, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

if its like that remove Oman completely, sources dont support what current text version says Baromerio (talk) 11:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock:VJ-Yugo.

if there is no objections and sources say what they say I will remove Oman from list in the next few days. Baromerio (talk) 11:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock:VJ-Yugo.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2019

removal of Oman from list of countries that recognize Kosovo, see talkpage for detailed explanation Baromerio (talk) 19:35, 7 February 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock:VJ-Yugo.

 Not done for now: this is the talk page... I don't see any detailed explanations, sorry DannyS712 (talk) 20:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@DannyS712: it's under section "Oman"

Where did Oman go...?

I understand the debate around "possibly not recognized" but there is no mention of Oman anywhere now. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 10:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps we need a third section for countries where the exact position is unclear Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 10:29, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Oman never recognized Kosovo officially in the first place, so it cannot withdrew recognition. That's why I simply removed it. There is entire discussion about it on this page. I would not call it unclear - you can look at the sources from previous version of this page [26], sources for recognition are not there or links are broken and sources for "withdraw" are the only one working. If you want you can add Oman on the list of countries that do not recognize Kosovo. Baromerio (talk) 11:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock:VJ-Yugo.

Edit request: Typo in Introduction

"of which 10 been withdrawn" should probably be "of which have 10 been withdrawn" – pranomostro.

i did it Baromerio (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2019 (UTC) Blocked sock:VJ-Yugo.

Oman voted FOR Kosovo

The Sultanate of Oman voted FOR Kosovo membership in UNESCO and Interpol. Link --Albanian92 (talk) 17:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistency

The number of country recognitions of Kosovo cited in this article is 102 while the main article on Kosovo - http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Kosovo - indicates 2 other figures, 103 and 113, neither of which is consistent with this article. Does anyone know a reliable, primary source containing the correct figure? This kind of inconsistency can create a permanent stain on Wikipedia's credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InfoGuy42US (talk • contribs) 22:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

The debate is over Oman, and it's 103 vs. 102. The number 113 is incorrect - Kosovo received 113 recognitions, and 10 (11?) were subsequently withdrawn. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 07:37, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Proof of recognition, numbers in charts ?

For many countries there is no any proof of recognition only some verbal notice and unclear statements. Some countries should be classified here as "unclear" but they are classified as "they recognize". I was thinking Wikipedia is not political or biased. Also, in chart for countries that recognized Kosovo we can see number of how many but we cant see numbers in chart for countries that did not recognize it. Wonder why is that? Good example is Egypt, there is no any written proof of recognition and recently Egyptian officials stated that they are respecting international law and UN and not one mention of recognition. Also Liberia withdraw recognition but here on the list its still among those that recognized Kosovo as a country I have impression that Wikipedia is politically involved in all this as many things here are not correct.

The Ministry of Foreign affair of Liberia has publicly denied that they revoked recognition and published a press release clearly stating that. I can only assume that reports on B92 were incorrect. The press release can be viewed at the following URL = http://www.mofa.gov.lr/public2/2press.php?news_id=3108&related=7&pg=sp - Editors on Wikipedia strive to keep the information as accurate as possible and I hope this reassures you of that aim. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 15:14, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2019

The recognition of kosovo by Costa rica was on 17th of february 2008 not 18th according to the kosovoan government run page: https://www.kosovothanksyou.com/ LentskuLentäjä (talk) 13:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

...Still nothing about Oman?

Do we have any more information on the situation with Oman so we know where to put it? ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 00:39, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Stop the propaganda spam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.235.144 (talk) 17:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Rude. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 12:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

You are rude. Your account should be blocked for spreading propaganda like so many others here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.92.235.144 (talk) 09:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

What did I do other than ask about the situation with Oman's recognition of Kosovo as an independent state? ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 11:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

Remove Nigeria from the table of Withdrawn recognition. They never recognized it http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/story/9/politika/2927055/azuriran-spisak-zemalja-koje-su-priznale-kosovo-bez-nigerije-i-ugande.html https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/nigeria-not-to-recognise-kosovo/171151 ZaSveMojeLjude http://www.mfa-ks.net/politika/484/lista-e-njohjeve/484 (talk) 11:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

Correct the pagination of the countries which recognize it. 44 and 71 are missing ZaSveMojeLjude (talk) 11:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

Remove Uganda from the table of Withdrawn recognition. They never recognized it http://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/411924/Dacic-Oman-Uganda-Lesoto-kazu-da-nisu-priznali-Kosovo http://www.mfa-ks.net/politika/484/lista-e-njohjeve/484 ZaSveMojeLjude (talk) 11:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

Remove Oman from the table of Withdrawn recognition. They never recognized it ZaSveMojeLjude (talk) 11:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2019

Remove Guinea-Bissau and Liberia from "Map of states that have recognized Kosovo's independence" so that the countries in the map match with the list of countries which have recognized it. ZaSveMojeLjude (talk) 11:50, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2019

Remove Mali from "Map of states that have recognized Kosovo's independence" so that the countries in the map match with the list of countries which have recognized it. ZaSveMojeLjude (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Remove Nigeria from map

Nigeria never recognized Kosovo Fenetrejones (talk) 14:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2019

Remove Nigeria from "Map of states that have recognized Kosovo's independence" so that the countries in the map match with the list of countries which have recognized itFenetrejones (talk) 13:24, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

•  Done. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:10, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Guinea-Bissau

In a letter dated 21 November 2017, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Guinea-Bissau informed Kosovo that it had withdrawn its recognition.[106][107][108] On 2 February 2018, Kosovo's MFA announced that it had received a new note verbale from Guinea-Bissau stating that the previous note revoking recognition had no effect.[109][110]

That is what is in article. But in May 2018 President of parlament of Guinea-Bissau confirmed that confirmed verbally country has not recognized Kosovo.--Јованвб (talk) 11:41, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

And yet the ambassador of Kosovo to Senegal did present credentials in Bissau in June 2018. [27] - ILBobby (talk) 15:46, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Solomon Islands recognition is valid

Honiara, April 28, 2015 - Ambassador of the Republic of Kosovo to Australia Sabri Kiqmari and Solomon Islands Foreign Minister George Milner Tozaka signed the Joint Communiqué for the start of diplomatic relations between the Republic of Kosovo and the Solomon Islands. The diplomatic relations between SI and Kosovo is still valid. First SI must break diplomatic relations with Kosovo and after that can withdrawal the diplomatic recognition. [28]

Serbia bribed Central African Republic minister to withdraw Kosovo’s recognition

https://www.gazetaexpress.com/serbia-bribed-central-african-republic-minister-to-withdraw-kosovos-recognition/

https://corbeaunews-centrafrique.com/scandale-de-corruption-et-du-trafic-des-faux-documents-au-ministere-des-affaires-etrangeres/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.73.129.122 (talk) 14:29, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Serbia may have "bribed" CAF, however, the fact is that CAF has revoked its recognition. If we should start discussing all the money Albanians and its diaspora put in lobbying in various Western states, with serious proofs that the background of those finances is of criminal origin, the discussion would be very long. It would not add anything constructive to the topic.

The fact stays: CAF revoked it recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB18:84A:4800:3498:FFAF:D378:CE7F (talk) 12:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Bribed or not, recognition has been withdrawn. The reason behind it is not important. ViceChairman6492 (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between this page and it's Serbian Language counterpart

As some people may have noticed, the Serbian Language version of this page sites different dates for recognition and withdrawal of certain countries recognition. In addition, 3 countries from "withdrawn recognition" section are missing; São Tomé and Príncipe, Liberia and Guinea-Bissau. There are credible references on on each of the 3 countries' withdrawal of recognition, so I'm a bit surprised that they aren't included here. --ViceChairman6492 (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@ViceChairman6492: Yes, they are included. Read carefully the "Withdrawn recognition" section. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:04, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Vanjagenije You're right, my mistake. ViceChairman6492 (talk) 15:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2020

YvesXK (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

For this:

Formal recognition of Kosovo by UN member states over time

The recognition of Jamaica to Kosovo is state number 99 and 94

The Jamaican Foreign Ministry has said nothing about Kosovo and has not recognized it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NYC6x7x (talk • contribs) 04:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

It's not clear what kind of edit you are requesting. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2020

Jamaica has recognized Kosovo (https://exit.al/en/2020/02/20/jamaica-recognizes-kosovo-as-sovereign-state/) and should thus be added to the list. Furthermore, the so-called "Formal recognition of Kosovo by UN member states over time" is now invalid and should be removed.

Thank you! Mankurtizatsiya (talk) 03:30, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

In a meeting vs at a meeting

Both forms get used in the article. Shouldn't it be only one? From what I've gathered, at a meeting refers to a location... and yet it's the most common wording in the article (by around 20 to 4).--Adûnâi (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2020

the links of the "Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kosovo" (www.mfa-ks.net) do not lead to the reference of recognition, e.g.: - 152 Prime Minister Mustafa accepted verbal note of recognition of Kosovo by Bangladesh, Prime Minister of the Republic of Kosovo, 2016-02-28 - 149 Singapore Recognizes Kosovo as an Independent State and Diplomatic Relations are Established, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kosovo, 2016-12-01 - 148 Antigua and Barbuda recognizes the independence of Kosovo, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kosovo, 2015-05-20

same with https://kryeministri-ks.net/, e.g.: - 143 - Prime Minister Thaçi officially receives Thailand recognition of Kosovo in a meeting with Thailand Deputy Prime Minister Dr. Surapong Tovichakchaikul, Prime Minister of Kosovo, 2013-09-26 ZaSveMojeLjude

those wrong links should be removed or corrected with ones which work

(talk) 22:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@ZaSveMojeLjude: Those links are not "wrong". They should not be removed. They are, as we call it, rotten (see WP:Linkrot). Vanjagenije (talk) 20:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020

Sierra Leone has withdrawn the recognition on the 2nd of March. This fact has already been documented but unfortunately, the change was removed again.

Here are the references where among others the diplomatic note is presented: - https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-claims-sierra-leone-is-latest-country-to-rescind-kosovo-recognition/30466817.html - http://www.tanjug.rs/full-view.aspx?izb=539862 - https://prishtinainsight.com/serbia-claims-sierra-leone-has-withdrawn-kosovo-recognition/ - https://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/story/1/politika/3873983/kosovo-priznanje-sijera-leone.html - https://rs.sputniknews.com/politika/202003031121961957-sijera-leone-povukla-priznanje-nezavisnosti-kosova/

Please update the Withdrawn recognition table and also remove Sierra Leone from the Map so that this article is up to date. Thank you in advance.

(talk) 08:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The evidence that you cited is overwhelming and convincing. I’m going to revert the article. Sierra Leone did withdraw its recognition of Kosovo.

(talk) 14:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

•  Already done. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Afghanistan

The reference for Afghanistan now redirects to a list of states on a German-language IT blog (?) 81.154.117.45 (talk) 09:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Fixed by adding the archived version. Vanjagenije (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Brunei

Brunei recognised the independence of Kosovo. However, on the map it is grey but it supposed to be green. Please update it. Thanks! Albaniakosova14 (talk) 16:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Israel

Press articles dated September 4, 2020 indicate that Kosovo and Israel will recognize each other, which would require an update to the article and its graphics. Sources: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-kosovo-to-be-first-muslim-majority-nation-to-open-jerusalem-embassy/, https://www.timesofisrael.com/serbia-to-move-embassy-to-jerusalem-mostly-muslim-kosovo-to-recognize-israel/.One-Off Contributor (talk) 18:22, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, we should be keeping an eye on this. However, contrary to edits already made to the page, it's not clear whether explicit formal recognition has happened yet. See this reference: GeoEvan (talk) 01:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

More confirmation that Israel has NOT YET formally recognized Kosovo: [29]. My previous edit to reflect this was reverted on the basis that it needed to be discussed, but since no one is responding, it appears there's no dispute over this. I'm going to remove Israel from the list again. GeoEvan (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

The references in the article include links to primary sources from the Prime Minister of Israel and from the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo which state that the countries have recognised each other and will establish formal diplomatic relations in due course. The links you provide are secondary sources such as b92 which can never be as reliable as the primary sources quoted in the article. For now the text should stand as it is until there is a primary source from either government explicitly stating that they have not recognised each other. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 12:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you replying here, and I now see there are some sources cited there that I didn't see before. I would still point out that the primary sources cited do not explicitly state that the recognition has been enacted yet - will recognize and have recognized are not the same thing. However, I see that some of the other sources have the Israeli ambassador to Serbia saying that it has already happened, compared to the Israeli ambassador to Albania strongly implying that it hasn't yet (in the b92 source I cited). That still seems unclear to me, but it's ambiguous enough that I'm not up for making a big deal out of it anymore. GeoEvan (talk) 04:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

https://honestreporting.com/ibn-20200202-iran-deal-vaccinations-normalization-iron-dome/, section 3 refers, citing Israel as the 117th country to do so. Meanwhile the Kosovo page cites only 98 nations, so the lists are somewhat out of step. My personal pref. would be not to quote a number in the head article at all, but just link to this one. Chrismorey (talk) 15:42, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Lesotho

Lesotho should be added to the list of states that recognise Kosovo, since there is no evidence that supports the claim that they have withdrawn the recognition, since the MFA of Serbia has deleted every news article that had to do with Lesotho withdrawing recognition, therefore there is nothing that can be found to back up that claim. Tirdnem (talk) 10:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

We'll just need sourcing for it to be added to the list. Give us a source, then change the template back and someone will take a look. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:54, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I mean it already recognised Kosovo to begin with. Now there should be sources to show that Lesotho revoked recognition not sources to show they recognise Kosovo. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Comoros

ADD Comoros to the list of Entities that recognise Kosovo as an independent state and REMOVE it from the states that have withdrawn the recognition. This based on a letter sent to ex-president of the Republic of Kosovo, Behgjet Pacolli, by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Comoros on the 4th of February, 2021. Here is the link to the letter which Mr. Pacolli posted. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=255437182611847&set=pb.100044367011944.-2207520000..&type=3 Tirdnem (talk) 10:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

We can't use a facebook photo as a source. Please provide a reliable source and change the template back to unanswered and someone will take a look. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:53, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It’s a photo provided by the former foreign minister of Kosovo. Im pretty sure it’s reliable since Comoros wouldn’t have sent a letter and mentioned Kosovo as a state when it said “Between both our countries” if it didn’t recognise Kosovo Arianasmithy74 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I checked up on the sources saying it was unrecognised to see if they had any contradicting information, and none of them work any more. FBKong (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay well I checked again and the Russian one still works, but i wouldn't say that that's particularly unbiased, although it is very valid. FBKong (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

It seems more widespread then just Comoros. I think this issue should be dealt with. Are there copies on the wayback machine? FBKong (talk) 22:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Archives added for those two. Emk9 (talk) 00:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I don’t see a note verbal or any not about Comoros de-recognition, however I do see a note about Comoros recognising Kosovo and then another note in 2021 re-affirming that recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianasmithy74 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Cowlibob (talk) 12:04, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that only about half of UN member states recognize Kosovo as an independent nation?

Created/expanded by Springfield2020 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:31, 26 January 2021 (UTC).

General eligibility:

• New enough: - no
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - no

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QPQ: - Not done

Overall: Unfortunately, I'm going to have to fail this immediately. I'm not sure why this article was nominated given that it hasn't been expanded five-fold and isn't a recent GA. If you would like for this to appear on DYK, I would suggest you expand the article or bring it to GA level. Once this is done, suggest an interesting hook (the current one works), but make sure it is referenced. I would strongly encourage you to read WP:DYKRULES before nominating this or any other article. Good luck! Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 00:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

FYROM name change

The list of countries that have recognised Kosovo has North Macedonia as 'Macedonia', but they changed their name in 2019. They are North Macedonia now Heikocvijic (talk) 04:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Done. Dan Palraz (talk) 19:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Swaziland name change

In the list of the countries who recognized Kosovo Eswatini is still displayed as Swaziland.

They changed their name in 2018.

Please correct the list.

Done. 19:51, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2021

- Butrint10morina (talk) 00:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 01:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Expired sources links in withdrawn states list

Hello,

Regarding the list of withdrawn states, some links are no longer available or up-to-date. In addition, there are no verbal notes on certain states or credible sources that cite the withdrawal of recognition of Kosovo's independence by those states.

Those states which do not have reliable sources for their withdrawal of recognition of Kosovo should be removed from the list and only added if the contrary is proven with reliable sources.

The Republic of Kosovo has not confirmed the withdrawal of recognition from certain states that were included on the list of withdrawn states.

A lot of expired links are available on the Wayback Machine. I started collecting and updating the sources using the Machine, but I have not had the spare time to finish and uploaded the fixed list. If anyone wants to do the honors, I'd recommend doing so.

Secondly, Kosovo isn't going to confirm a withdrawl of recognition, solely because that goes against everything they are striving to achieve. FBKong (talk) 08:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Comoros

Today the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Comoros sent a letter to the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo, Behgjet Pacolli, saying that "...the Comorian authorities have taken due note of Kosovo's request to establish diplomatic relations with Comoros. The minister expresses his benevolent attention to his availability to initiate discussions with the authorities of Kosovo in this regard within the deadlines agreed between the two parties. (...) The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation of the Union of Comoros expresses its Excellency of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo of the interest it attaches to the establishment of relations between our two countries." In other words, there is nothing to suggest that Comoros no longer recognizes Kosovo, though diplomatic relations between the two countries have not been established yet. The foreign minister of Comoros does refer to Kosovo as a country when he says "between the two countries." The Wikipedia article claims that Comoros unrecognized Kosovo, but it only cites the claims of the Foreign Ministry of Serbia and Sergei Lavrov. A verbal note is missing (while it is provided for the recognition) and there is nothing from Comoros itself. I think that Comoros should be brought back to the list of countries that recognize Kosovo because there is insufficient evidence that Comoros withdrew its recognition, to begin with. In addition to this, this raises some questions about other derecognitions. Many of them only cite Serbian claims, not claims by the countries that supposedly unrecognized Kosovo. Uniacademic (talk) 14:04, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Yep, I have added Comoros to countries recognising Kosovo. Also, I agree it does raise questions about other countries that ‘revoked’ recognition but I guess we will have to see if Kosovo gets any letters from those countries. Albaniakosova14 (talk) 23:53, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

There is nothing directly supporting your claim in the newly added source. It's not enough. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 13:03, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It is enough, The foreign Minister of Comoros literally sent a letter to Kosovo saying they would like to establish diplomatic ties and it mentions Kosovo as an independent state. What more do you want? Albaniakosova14 (talk) 13:06, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

There is no mention of recognition or de-recognition in the letter. Moreoever, the letter by itself is WP:OR. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 13:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

It mentions diplomatic relations and that it states Kosovo as an independent nation. What more do you want? Is that not recognition? Albaniakosova14 (talk) 14:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

While I agree with you, I don't think a single source is enough to claim they haven't unrecognised Kosovo. Until we get more sources, I think it should still be considered a dubious withdrawl. FBKong (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Well Albaniakosova14 is just a sock puppet so case closed and that person is 100 percent lying about the Comoros 🇰🇲 issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flushing Girl (talk • contribs) 23:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it lying, just definitely not being objective. FBKong (talk) 23:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Funny thing is, Flushing Girl who is in a sock puppet investigation is saying a user is 100% lying because is sock a puppet lol. Anyway my recommendation is to inculcate the photo provided by Bexhet Pacolli in main article and name it "disputed" or something else you can think about. Since it's an actual source and it's getting ignored somehow, I'm not saying it should be changed to countries which recognises Kosovo, keep it as it is just include the photo it should be enough.(Small recommendation, maybe make it "orange" in the map to indicate it's not 100% known if it does recognise or not.The "orange" colour should be used for other countries too in the future if there's a similar case) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:E246:E300:5937:463A:124B:2AB9 (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

True but the person was still a banned sock puppet anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flushing Girl (talk • contribs) 16:37, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

How does that changes the information that person provided which was from the minister at the time, you are currently being investigated for being a sock puppet and you might get banned for the same thing. Also that letter should be mentioned since it's a source and the sources for revoking recognition aren't quite good and unbiased, I'm not saying Kosovo minister info is not unbiased,but he got a letter about this which is worth mentioning in an article like this. This the sources: https://aktivpress.com/pacolli-siguron-se-comoros-nuk-e-ka-terhequr-njohjen-e-kosoves/

Dates

Afghanistan didn't recognize Kosovo in 17th, it recognised it in 18th. Costa Rica was the one which recognised it at 17th because of time zones. Also in the recognition section whete the countries are placed from 1 to 96, there's a typo in the numbers, it goes like this ; 85,87,86,88. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:2A02:587:E242:E600:FD79:4B13:7962:C878 (talk • contribs)

Corrected, thank you. Dan Palraz (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

The date about Afghanistan is still broken, as mentioned above Costa Rica was the one to recognise at 17th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:2A02:587:E242:E600:FD79:4B13:7962:C878 (talk • contribs)

The date was "broken" again because a user had reverted my edit, changing Afghanistan back to #1. I just undid the revision, explaining that the problem here is that eight countries recognized Kosovo the moment it declared independence, all at the same day, so they all should be listed as the first ones, but the table follows alphabetical order for those in the same. So Afghanistan will appear before the USA or France in the table, but what we can do is list them all as "1-8". Off topic now, please remember to sign your comments by typing ~ four times at the end of your comment. Dan Palraz (talk) 09:13, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2021

Serbia claimed that the republic of Comors can unrecognize Kosovo, but a ltter send from MFa of Comors to the ec MFA of Kosova Bexhet Pacolli says that they haven't withdrawn their recognition. 46.99.81.148 (talk) 14:14, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish

https://aktivpress.com/pacolli-siguron-se-comoros-nuk-e-ka-terhequr-njohjen-e-kosoves/

Translation of the Headline: "Pacolli ensures that the Comoros has not withdrawn its recognition of Kosovo"

Some might consider it as one sided and unreliable due to being a Albanian source, though same can be said to the sources which were given about the so called "derecognition" of Kosovo by comoros. Which are predominantly serbian.

Further research is needed for both.

--InNeed95 (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Tonga

I have been adding primary sources to some countries' recognition of Kosovo that had none, such as Belgium, but I'm stuck with Tonga, though. The only source given according to which Tonga would have recognised Kosovo no longer exists - broken link, should then be removed. The only mention of Kosovo in all websites under Tongan domains (.to), on the other hand, only comes up with one article, which says: https://matangitonga.to/2014/01/21/tongas-recognition-kosovo-not-confirmed "Tonga's recognition of Kosovo not confirmed - Tonga is reported to have officially recognized the independence of Kosovo, according to a post made by Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaçi on a Facebook social media page this month. However, there has been no official statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade in Nuku'alofa." Per precaution, I would remove Tonga from the list. Dan Palraz (talk) 19:33, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Tonga? What really happened there? Maybe revert and remove Tonga from the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 14:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Put it with Oman, then, in those with conflicting reports. Dan Palraz (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Probably correct to remove Tonga anyway and put it in the conflicting list. But still that may be the best solution here anyway.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 19:31, 8 July 2021 (UTC) 

I think that same thing should happen with both Liberia 🇱🇷 and Guinea-Bissau 🇬🇼. Both of them have conflicts over the recognitions. So they should be removed as well and put into the conflict sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 03:53, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Good Day,

A removal of both from the list results in possible wrong information shown. The links might be broken now, but the two states have been on the list for a long time, and they wouldnt have been on the list until now if the sources werent present back in the time than they were added.

Until now, there was no source about a de-recognition of Kosovo by both Tonga and El Salvador.

Removing them from the list is the wrong solution for the problem.

Due to that problem, I re-added both to the list until a proper solution is found.

@Dan Palraz

Best Regards,

--InNeed95 (talk) 15:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I found two sources http://www.brzevijesti.ba/clanak/3381/tonga-105-drzava-koja-je-priznala-kosovo and https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/regija/tonga-105-drzava-koja-je-priznala-kosovo/140117065 . Also this https://www.kosovothanksyou.com/?p=794

Dan is right. Most likely El Salvador and Tonga should be put in the conflicting recognition section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs)

Good Day, I have a couple of new sources to confirm that Tonga has recognized Kosovo as an independent state. The first source comes from Radio Free Europe, Radio/Liberty and the second comes from KosovaPress Butrint10morina (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

You can’t just remove Tonga from the list without having sources that Tonga reverted recognition. Tonga recognized Kosovo for a long time and the sources may be old and broken. If you really think that Tonga doesn’t recognise Kosovo, then put it the same as we did with Liberia and Guinea-Bissau and just add a small not. Unless you have a source saying that Tonga does NOT recognise Kosovo you cannot remove it. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 22:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Countries don't explicitly state that they don't recognize a country, they only make an announcement when they do recognize a country. As far as we have seen here, there has never been a statement from Tonga saying they recognized Kosovo. If you have one, we can add it back to the list; what we can't do is leave unsourced claims to the list. Dan Palraz (talk) 10:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Then show me a source where Tongan officials debunk Kosovan sources on the recognition of Kosovo. When Kosovo claimed Jamaica recognised Kosovo, they debunked it. However, Tonga never debunked it. There are sources which tell you that Tonga sent a Note Verbale to Kosovo confirming their recognition. How about the sources where countries revoked recognition? They are all serbian yet they are still counted as sources. Kosovan sources are still valid since they are not debunked by any country.

Arianasmithy74 (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-kosovo https://www.evropaelire.org/a/25236249.html https://www.balkanweb.com/ja-shtetet-qe-votuan-pro-e-kunder-kosoves-ne-unesco/ https://mondo.rs/Info/Srbija/a653404/Kosovo-priznala-i-Tonga.html https://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/tonga-priznala-kosovo/0kfgses These sources are Serbian, Albanian and even non-albanian/serbian(one source is written in Albanian but its not an Albanian news report). Aren’t these enough? Tonga voted FOR Kosovo joining UNESCO, which confirms they are friendly with eachother and definitely have relations with each other. Also both Serbian and Albanian sources confirm the recognition. If it wasn’t confirmed wouldn’t Serbian sources claim To ga didn’t recognise? Thats enough sources to prove that Tonga does recognise Kosovo. If you have any sources to prove Tonga debunked these sources or they revoked recognition, please show me but if not, add Tonga back on the recognition list. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 10:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Here is an official list from the Government of Serbia from a Serbian source of countries who have and have not recognized Kosovo confirming that Tonga has indeed recognized Kosovo and that even Serbia does not deny that fact https://www.danas.rs/politika/koje-drzave-ne-priznaju-nezavisnost-kosova/ .Why is it necessary for Wikipedia to deny a fact which literally no-one denies? So far plenty of both Serbian and Albanian sources have been provided which are in agreement with the fact that Tonga recognizes Kosovo as an independent country. The only source which has been provided to deny such fact is from the following link https://matangitonga.to/2014/01/21/tongas-recognition-kosovo-not-confirmed , which does not specifically say that Tonga has not recognized Kosovo rather that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tonga has not come with an official statement to confirm that recognition. A statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not a requirement for confirming a recognition. There have even been provided non-serbian and non-albanian sources such as the one from Radio Free Europe https://www.evropaelire.org/a/25236249.html which confirm the Arrival of the Verbal Note of Tonga to Kosovo confirming the recognition. If we follow the same logic of removing Tonga from the Recognition list, than Papua New Guinea should be removed from the derecognition list and be added to the recognition list because there are no Papua New Guinean sources or statements which confirm the derecognition rather only Serbian ones or ones based on Serbian (government) statements which confirm the arrival of such verbal note. All in all there have been provided plenty of sources including Serbian, Albanian and non-Albanian ones confirming the recognition of Kosovo from Tonga and no sources which specifically deny the recognition of Kosovo from Tonga. This article of this source https://matangitonga.to/2014/01/21/tongas-recognition-kosovo-not-confirmed does not specifically state in any point that Tonga has not recognized Kosovo rather that has been no statement from Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tonga confirming such thing. So once again I ask the question why should Wikipedia deny something which no-one denies? The best would be to add Tonga back to the list of countries who have recognized Kosovo with all the sources which confirm that, including Serbian sources, Albanian Source and Non Albanian Sources which have been already provided several times in this talk page but including an explanatory note that there has been no statement from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tonga confirming the recognition using the link https://matangitonga.to/2014/01/21/tongas-recognition-kosovo-not-confirmed as a source for such report. --Butrint10morina (talk) 02:06, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with @Butrint10morina and I think we should add Tonga back on the list of recognition. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

El Salvador & Tonga

The only source given in the article as to El Salvador having recognized Kosovo is a pdf an informal paper listing many countries that had supposedly recognized Kosovo, and listing El Salvador among them. Not only that's not a valid source for adding El Salvador to the list, but the only mention of Kosovo in any Salvadorian government websites is in its Foreign Ministry's website, in which they specifically list Kosovo, along with Abkhazia, South Ossetia, etc., as an "entity not recognized as a State": https://rree.gob.sv/servicios/visas-para-extranjeros/ I am therefore changing El Salvador from the first list to the second one. Dan Palraz (talk) 19:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

It seems that they have recently changed their mind on that regard, as I have found several older sources showing another answer, but it seems that El Salvador's viewpoint has changed since then. https://web.archive.org/web/20131028191533/https://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=1,4,1906 https://balkaneu.com/el-salvador-recognizes-independence-kosovo/ https://www.ambasada-ks.net/us/?page=2,8,86 FBKong (talk) 08:12, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

What about Liberia 🇱🇷 and Guinea-Bissau 🇬🇼? Their recognitions are disputed as well. Should they be on the table of recognitions as well or put somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 10:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I guess maybe they mean unrecognised by UN and internationally or partial recognised states since they mention Republic of Kosovo not "Kosovo" like "Abkhazia" or "South Ossetia" and it's mentioned that "The other CA-4 countries do not know what treatment they give" so they can't guarantee the treatment they give. While Abkhazia and South Ossetia it's mentioned this; Nicaragua: "Category "A" will be given to all types of passports. Guatemala: Requests not to recognize it as an Independent state and it will give Category "C" treatment to all types of passports" basically request not to recognise them as independent states while in Kosovo case not. I guess someone should send an email to ask them about this or whatever. It's not guaranteed they unrecognised Kosovo, since Serbian/Russian news cannot let this to slide and the 2020 Washington agreement mentioned "Serbia agreed to suspend its efforts, both official and unofficially to encourage other states to either not recognize Kosovo or to revoke existing recognition". — Preceding unsigned comment

Good Day,

A removal of both from the list results in possible wrong information shown. The links might be broken (or something else) now, but the two states have been on the list for a long time, and they wouldnt have been on the list until now if the sources werent present back in the time than they were added.

Until now, there was no source about a de-recognition of Kosovo by both Tonga and El Salvador.

Removing them from the list is the wrong solution for the problem.

Due to that problem, I re-added both to the list until a proper solution is found.

@Dan Palraz

Best Regards,

--InNeed95 (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Nothing will stay in the article if it's unsourced and unclear just because it has been so for a long time. I have spent time trying to find official sources from Tongan or Salvadorian sources explicitly recognizing Kosovo and I have found none, if you find a clear one, post it and the change will be made accordingly. Dan Palraz (talk) 15:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dan Palraz

You dont seem to understand the point.

They havent been added on the list back in the time if there WASNT a source. There WAS a source. Which now seems to have been deleted/broken or something different.

Until now, there wasnt a source claiming a de-recognition or something similar by both states.

So removing it is also a unsourced removal.

--InNeed95 (talk) 15:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Dan about removing both El Salvador and Tonga from the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs)

H Arianasmithy74 (talk) 09:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Greeting to everybody, I have a proper source which confirms that El Salvador has recognized Kosovo and has established diplomatic relations with Kosovo. The source is Embassy of the Republic of Kosovo in Washington where the establishment of diplomatic relations between the Republic of El Salvador and the Republic of Kosovo is visible even with photos https://www.ambasada-ks.net/us/?page=2,8,86 or properly sourced Butrint10morina (talk) 13:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I honestly wouldn't make any additions/removals to/from the list if the only source we have is a Kosovar official (government) source or a Serbian official (government) source, as 1) that'd contradict Wikipedia's policy of no primary sources - Ministerial or Embassy pages saying diplomatic relations were established are primary sources; but mainly: 2) if a primary source should be used, it could only be that of a third country saying whether or not it recognized Kosovo, not a Kosovar or Serbian one, as both Kosovo's and Serbia's officials have in the past made announcements that were later denied by the third country itself (for example, Kosovar governmental officials have claimed Oman had recognized Kosovo, even though Oman later denied it). Still, even though I honestly think we should re-think this whole thing of accepting as valid sources for Wikipedia primary, governmental sources from one of the two countries involved, and even though I think it isn't clear whether or not El Salvador still recognizes Kosovo as there is no mention of Kosovo in its official websites apart from the weird mention I brought up above, I think we can add El Salvador back to the recognitions list - I am now re-adding it. Thanks again for your research. Dan Palraz (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the editing. I do fully understand your concern when it comes to trusting direct Statements from the Governments of Kosovo or Serbia regarding the number of the countries recognizing Kosovo as independent. But the link I provided is not a simple statement rather an event which occurred in Washington at the Embassy of Kosovo. To reinforce the validity of Recognition of Kosovo from El Salvador serves the fact that El Salvador always voted in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO and INTERPOL. If they did not recognize Kosovo as independent they could have at least stay neutral in the voting, but El Salvador didn't and voted in favor of Kosovo joining these organizations. In this link you can find the list of the countries who voted in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO https://www.balkanweb.com/ja-shtetet-qe-votuan-pro-e-kunder-kosoves-ne-unesco/ and on this video from YouTube depicting the voting of Kosovo's bid to join the UNESCO the El Salvador representation at time 00:06 on the video can be seen clearly voting in favor of Kosovo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZkZVJ5srIQ . Anyways thanks a lot for your time and editing --Butrint10morina (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I do as well fully understand that it is quite difficult to trust all sources and Wikipedia requires third-party sources when it comes to certain verifications and as such in the case of Tonga is a bit more difficult to verify the validity of the Recognition. However the source which I have provided for the Recognition from Tonga is not a serb or albanian one rather from Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. The link to that is https://www.evropaelire.org/a/25236249.html . Furthermore Tonga is one of the Countries who also voted in favor of Kosovo joining UNESCO https://www.balkanweb.com/ja-shtetet-qe-votuan-pro-e-kunder-kosoves-ne-unesco/ . Apart from that Serbian sources as well confirm that Kosovo has been recognized by Tonga https://mondo.rs/Info/Srbija/a653404/Kosovo-priznala-i-Tonga.html and https://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/tonga-priznala-kosovo/0kfgses . All in all recognition of Kosovo from Tonga is something confirmed by both Serbian and Albanian sources as well as sources from Radio Free Europe which I provided above. And has not been denied by any reliable source. Apart from that Tonga as I stated above is among the UN Members who have voted in favor of Kosovo joining the UNESCO. I would like to ask you to properly evaluate the sources I have provided and possibly make the necessary changes if you believe them to be so. Thanks again for your time and effort --Butrint10morina (talk) 17:01, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

The assumption of non-Recognition of Kosovo by the Republic of El Salvador is based on the link https://rree.gob.sv/servicios/visas-para-extranjeros/ where the Republic of Kosovo is categorized under the section "Entities or Authorities not recognized as a State" but does not determine by whom they are not recognized. It is not specifically stated that El Salvador does not recognized Kosovo. Same goes for the Palestinian Authority which is categorized the same as Kosovo under section "Entities or Authorities not recognized as a State" despite the fact that El Salvador recognizes Palestine. The source for that recognition is https://rree.gob.sv/?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1587:el-salvador-reconoce-a-palestina-como-estado-libre-soberano-e-independiente. So the section "Entities or Authorities not recognized as a State" does not necessarily imply that the countries listed there are not recognized by El Salvador because Palestine is there as well. And Palestine has been definitely recognized beyond any doubt by El Salvador on 25 of August 2011. Thank you all for your time and effort. I hope you will evaluate my links and my research regarding this topic. -Butrint10morina (talk) 17:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I think El Salvador is convincing. Not Tonga, though, the sources given are not reliable and are one day before the only Tongan news outlet to cover the issue said it contacted the Tongan government about it and it wasn't confirmed. So I'd add El Salvador back, but definitely not Tonga, unless new sources appear. Dan Palraz (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Well there's this https://www.kosovothanksyou.com/?p=794 2A02:587:E23B:7D00:3575:883F:500E:884B (talk) 18:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

For reasons already discussed, that's obviously not a reliable source. As far as we have seen here, there has never been a Tongan source saying they recognized Kosovo, only Kosovo saying so, but Kosovo's said the same about other countries that later said it wasn't true. Just as we have found reliable sources stating that El Salvador recognized Kosovo one day, there should be the same for any country recognizing another. Whenever Tonga manifests itself on the issue, we can add it back. Dan Palraz (talk) 10:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't the same logic apply to derecognitions too? Most of derecognitions on this article only refer to Serbian sources claiming that those countries withdrew their recognition of Kosovo, nothing coming from those states themselves. They nevertheless are on the list of withdrawn recognitions. Examples include Burundi, Papua New Guinea, Lesotho, Comoros (they actually sent a letter to former foreign minister of Kosovo Behgjet Pacolli after the supposed derecognition), Grenada, Madagascar, Palau, Togo, Central African Republic, Nauru, and Sierra Leone. In most of these cases it is either the Serbian ministry of Foreign Affairs or Serbian press stating that the recognition was withdrawn. Nothing coming from those countries and verbal notes missing. Shouldn't they be returned to the list of recognizers unless proof is provided of derecognition (especially since there are valid verbal notes of recognition, not of derecognition). Uniacademic (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Tonga has recognised Kosovo since 2014. Do you really think they wouldnt have debunked that claim if they didn’t recognise it? They obviously do recognise Kosovo. Find me a source that Soloman Islands, Burundi, Lesotho, Central African Republic, Sierra Leone confirming their de-recognition of Kosovo. All those sources are either Serbian or the title says ‘Serbia claims’. That is not a reliable source since its Serbian or it is a Serbian claim. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 10:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The source I provided is Kosovo's "thanking website" about recognition and there they made two announcements, one that Tonga recognised Kosovo but without confirmation and the second one (which is above) that they received and letter and they news now are confirmed, you can see yourself. Now, the sources claiming Kosovo got unrecognised are all Serbian and Russian, few of these states even sent a letter rebuking those news, so how can we take those sources for granted? Btw when the news about Kosovo losing recognitions started, Serbia had elections when the first wave of unrecognised states started and it continued now when Serbia has elections again, so how we know these weren't used as elections campaign? 2A02:587:E23B:7D00:3575:883F:500E:884B (talk) 13:32, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Those sources above explaining the recognition from Tonga are all reliable and that the sources do not need to be from Tonga since there are many sources from the countries revoked like Lesotho, Solomon Islands, Sierra Leona, CAF where all the sources are Russian or Serbian and not from their country’s officials. Therefore, we have sent over 5 sources where Tonga has recognised Kosovo some Albanian, Non-Albanian and even Serbian. So I think that Tonga should be added to the list of recognition since it has recognised Kosovo since 2014 and if Tonga didn’t recognise Kosovo, surely they would have debunked all of this news, right? But since 2014 Tonga has not debunked these sources meaning they are all valid, so please add Tonga back on the list.

https://www.mfa-ks.net/politika/484/lista-e-njohjeve/484  Arianasmithy74 (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

https://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/politika/aktuelno.289.html:473878-Tonga-priznala-Kosovo https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/regija/tonga-105-drzava-koja-je-priznala-kosovo/140117065 Some extra sources in Serbian too.

Arianasmithy74 (talk) 14:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Still, it does mean something that the only mention ever in Tongan press about recognition of Kosovo is one saying that Kosovan authorities were claiming Tonga had recognized it but that the Tongan government itself did not confirm it. Dan Palraz (talk) 17:18, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

But did they say Tonga doesn’t recognise it? If they didn’t they would have quickly debunked every source. We have given so many different sources and many people agree with me. If you don’t add Tonga please take Papua New Guinea, Lesotho, Burundi, CAF off the revoked recognition list since their sources are only Serbian and Russian and add them on the recognition list. Arianasmithy74 (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

References

Map

Some Islands of UK, France and Netherlands which are also known as "overseas territories" are not coloured in green. These islands should be coloured in green since under UN they are under UK, France and Netherlands. 2A02:587:E23B:7D00:3575:883F:500E:884B (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC) Note: The links appearing here are not mine 2A02:587:E23B:7D00:3575:883F:500E:884B (talk) 18:31, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Which exactly? Vanjagenije (talk) 21:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Nothing here is realiable anymore serbian lies all over propaganda at it's best and WP falling for it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.238.92.143 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2022

There is a listed country with wrong name after an agreement for their legitimate name. There is no longer country with the name of just Macedonia, correct name is North Macedonia. Please correct it. PVeditor (talk) 18:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Afghanistan causes recognition of Kosovo to fall within minority of UN member states

The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan has ceased to exist and the reformed Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan has never recognized Kosovo: the previous "recognition" has been nullified and therefore most UN member states do NOT recognize Kosovo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.117.38 (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

The Islamic Republic of Afghanist has ceased to exist (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Afghanistan). Therefore it cannot be factored into the UN states that currently recognize Kosovo. Therefore, only 96/192 UN states recognize Kosovo instead of the previous 97/193, meaning it has lost majority recognition from UN members.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.117.38 (talk) 02:58, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Nope WP:ORIGINAL. Durraz0 (talk) 18:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I think that with the current Afghanistan Government overthrown for good. Anything is possible now. Just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 19:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

The Islamic emirate of Afghanistan is not a UN member state. Durraz0 (talk) 07:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I know but we will see what happens but in the meantime the old government of Afghanistan that was the very first country to recognize Kosovo has now been overthrown for good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 10:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

It won't affect the recognition since the Taliban won't be recognised as the successor as it happened in the 90s when only 3 governments recognised them. 2A02:587:E23B:2400:45B4:C80D:136C:A068 (talk) 14:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

So what the former Afghanistan government of Ashraf Ghani already collapsed completely forever. I mean that’s the fact. The European Union already announced that the Taliban has already won the war decisively. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 19:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The de facto controller does not matter. What does matter is that the internationally recognised Afghan government, the Islamic Republic still recognises Kosovo, and is still the holder of the UN seat, therefore until the Emirate assumes de jure control of the region, it will not be counted. FBKong (talk) 12:45, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

^^Streethouse is completely correct. The page is currently in a state of total denial of reality.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.117.38 (talk) 03:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

islamic emirate of afghanistan is not recognized by the UN as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. Durraz0 (talk) 11:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

^Irrelevant. The "Afghan" state that recognized the Republic of Kosovo has ceased to exist and therefore it cannot be factored into states that currently recognize it. The Republic of Kosovo has lost UN majority recognition. No amount of ignorance or bias can change this fact.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.117.38 (talk) 14:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

You are correct but the Islamic Emirate is now the real deal because they control more than 90% of Afghanistan. So yeah it doesn’t matter which state “recognizes” it. It’s already the de facto government of Afghanistan already.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 192 Street House (talk • contribs) 10:12, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

New editors, please be aware that it is considered proper etiquette on talk pages to sign your comments by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end.

Additionally, it is polite to indent a new comment with an appropriate number of initial colons (not blank spaces) at the start of your comment.

And finally, Wikipedia talk pages are not a forum for discussing / arguing the subject. Comments of the form "so what, I know, but the Reliable Sources rule is not important here because the facts are obvious" are not a proper use of a talk page. Wait until a reliable secondary source explicitly acknowledges that the change in Afghanistan means Kosovo is no longer recognized by a majority of UN member states; any premature change to the article before that time is original research, and any persistence in advocating ignoring the rules on this point is disruptive. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 20:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

This is classic WP:OR. Furthermore, no country has recognized the Taliban, and a remnant of the original government still claims legitimacy and continues to govern the Panjshir province.--Calthinus (talk) 14:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

True but that Afghanistan government remnant is just a shadow of its former self. Get used to it. The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is now finished.

Please take your soapboxing somewhere else. Ominae (talk) 05:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of Chinese Taipei in the map of states that recognize Kosovo

I don't think it makes sense to have Taiwan highlighted on this map when it itself is only recognized by a small handful of countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.52.125.81 (talk) 08:40, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Taiwan is a fully independent state, your Chinese shilling doesn't change that. Somalialand is recognised by no country, but it is outlined on the map. TBH the map needs some sort of fix-up, but the Taiwanese borders should remain the same.FBKong (talk) 07:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Oman

The Ministry of Republic of Kosovo and Sultanate of Oman have diplomatic relations and held numours talks together.

Oman does recognize the Independence of Kosovo since 4th February 2011

Please change this on your map and correct it!

Here is the source for verification:

https://twitter.com/FMofOman/status/1331127981733974019 - Oman foreign ministry thanks Kosovo MFA

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1310661936330178560 - Holding talks with Oman Foreign minister

The two countries MFA´s Twitter-profiles are verified by Twitter and should be taken as serious and valid sources.

There are no valid sources which shows that Oman has derecognized Kosovo or note of derecognition by Serbia!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 17:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

To quote source 176 " Oman has been a source of constant confusion. A message sent to the Kosovo foreign ministry by the Omani government in February 2011 read as follows: ‘In acknowledging the decision of the International Court of Justice on the independence of Kosovo, the Government of the Sultanate of Oman will welcome Kosovo's membership to the United Nations, as well as to other international and regional organizations it wishes to join.’ Pristina later accepted that it had misread this as recognition, when it had in fact been a more general statement of future support. ‘Serbia Claims Countries Cancelling Kosovo Recognition’, Balkan Insight, 9 September 2011. However, just a few days later, Kosovo announced that Oman had in fact confirmed that it had recognized Kosovo. But even this statement has been cast into doubt. In February 2012, Rexhep Boja, the chargé d’affaires at the Kosovo embassy in Saudi Arabia, stated the following: ‘Five GCC states, including Saudi Arabia, have recognized our independence,’ adding that Kosovo is still waiting for Oman to recognize it. ‘Kosovo Seeks Full GCC Support’, Arab News, 20 February 2012." FBKong (talk) 22:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

IllyricumShqip (talk) 13:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

On the Foreign ministry site of the Sultanate of Oman a meeting is shown between President of Kosovo & Foreign minister of Oman calling Kosovo an repbulic in the article of the FMA-site so therefore clearly indicates that Oman does recognize Kosovo and had numerous talks with officials and now the President of Kosovo. We should mark Oman to the list of countries who do recognize the Republic of Kosovo.IllyricumShqip (talk) 13:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC) Source: https://fm.gov.om/foreign-minister-holds-meeting-with-president-of-kosovo/

While this does show "closer ties" between Kosovo and Oman, it doesn't directly state whether or not they are or have recognised it. FBKong (talk) 22:21, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Tonga 2

Tonga has recognised the independence of Kosovo yet it is not included in the list and it was taken off a couple months ago for no reason? 90.254.58.183 (talk) 11:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Have you got any sources showing their recognition? Matangi Tonga states no formal recognition, while the dubious Kosovothanksyou states only a verbal recognition was given.

https://matangitonga.to/2014/01/21/tongas-recognition-kosovo-not-confirmed

https://www.kosovothanksyou.com/?p=794

FBKong (talk) 15:40, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Please include Tonga again as you can clearly see the recognissing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.238.72.253 (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Clearly see where? More information than that is needed for proof of recognition. FBKong (talk) 12:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

We already have that proof you serbian or russian troll are trying to destroy evidence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.234.155.64 (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Can you link some of that proof? You can clearly see on my profile that i'm not Serb or Russian. Also, how exactly could anyone destroy evidence? This is literally the internet. FBKong (talk) 04:43, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

I have seen an Tweet of an representative of Tonga visiting Kosovo but dont know if that counts as recognition by Tonga here is the tweet:

https://twitter.com/joeborghese/status/1554811669225906176 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 01:44, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh that's interesting. S.G ReDark (talk) 03:59, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Taiwan

Taiwan is not a formally recognised State, therefeore the map is wrong, because it says "States". 81.44.168.181 (talk) 08:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

A "state" doesn't require international recognition to be a state. FBKong (talk) 20:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Which map to use

I noticed other languages use File:Kosovo relations.svg and English Wikipedia currently uses File:CountriesRecognizingKosovo.svg. Compare:

• 
  1. Kosovo relations
• 
  2. Countries Recognizing Kosovo

Image 1 is more nuanced and informative. It includes countries that have declared to not recognize Kosovo independence. Image 2 has too many countries in gray, as if nothing is known about their stance, but many of them are a clear negative of no recognition. I feel the "Kosovo relations" image should be used as the main image of the article.

Mateussf (talk) 02:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

There's a difference between nations that have declared their belief that Kosovo is not independent, and nations that simply haven't bothered to issue an opinion on the matter one way or the other, and I agree that the distinction is an informative one better reflected by Image 1, for whatever my opinion on the matter is worth. 2601:283:4301:3D10:B582:936E:B7E7:837E (talk) 23:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Both of the images definitely have an impact on viewers no matter which way you look at it. Image #1 give you an idea of where each country is when it comes if they are possibly going to recognize the independence or not while image #2 is pretty straight forward as of right now what is happening. Боки ^{Talk page ↔️ Contributions} 07:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Image 1 certainly is more informative, not sure about the colour palette, though. Also should probably have a "withdrawn recognition" category. FBKong (talk) 06:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Image 1 is better and more informative. S.G ReDark (talk) 19:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I also agree with the Image 1 it gives much more detail and information to the viewer than the old map which in my opinion does have also too much gray. Also keep in mind that some country made new statements regarding Kosovo and needs to be taken in account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 16:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you everyone who shared their opinions. No one was against image 1 and many supported it, so I've changed the image used in the article. The color pallet can be changed if someone wants to do it, and the image is being updated on Commons (although I'm not watching this closely). Thank you S.G ReDark for reminding me of this discussion. Mateussf (talk) 02:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm glad i could help :) S.G ReDark (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

The map is not right Palau should be coloured blue because it recognizes Kosovo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 17:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

We need to pain Oman aswell blue since its on the list of recognition countries! IllyricumShqip (talk) 15:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to "de-recognise" states?

The following text is taken from the article relating to International recognition of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic:

According to international law regarding recognition of states, contained in article 6 of the Montevideo Convention: "The recognition of a state merely signifies that the state which recognizes it accepts the personality of the other with all the rights and duties determined by international law. Recognition is unconditional and irrevocable.", as well as Article 7: "The recognition of a state may be express or tacit. The latter results from any act which implies the intention of recognizing the new state."[25] Therefore, once one state recognizes another as a fellow sovereign state (even if indirectly, or tacitly), this recognition cannot be revoked, except when one or the other state ceases to exist. One can only revoke the recognition of a government (for example by breaking off diplomatic relations), but not of the state itself.[26][27] The provisions of the Montevideo Convention are generally considered to be a restatement of customary international law, codifying existing legal norms and its principles, and therefore do not apply merely to the parties to the Convention, but to all subjects of international law as a whole.[28][29]

Please see that page for the references.ComminutedOrange (talk) 16:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Balkans! AlexBachmann (talk) 22:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Comoros

Comoros has reconfirmed its recognition towards Kosovo, by sending a verbal note to then Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affaris Behgjet Pacolli. Yet, Comoros is listed at “alleged withdrawn recognition”. I urge you to add Comoros in the recognition list.

The link https://hi-in.facebook.com/behgjeti/posts/kam-pranuar-nje%CC%88-lete%CC%88r-nga-ministri-i-pune%CC%88ve-te%CC%88-jashtme-te%CC%88-comors-i-cili-me%CC%88/255437219278510/ Kosova666 (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

That link is still old and outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

2021 should be old? Yo thats just one year ago. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Still the source is still too old and outdated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 17:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Pretending not to hear (WP:ICANTHEARYOU) isn't going to help. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Still that link may still not be active or in the Wayback Machine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The last verbal note from Comoros reconfirms the recognition of Kosovo. Till a newer note/statement that says otherwise, Comoros should be in the Recognition List.HokutoKen (talk) 18:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Even so what good is the Facebook link. You can post anything on Facebook including letters and notes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

The person that has posted the letter isn't anyone, but the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Behgjet Pacolli. And the letter is an Official Note from the Union of the Comoros. https://www.botasot.info/aktuale-lajme/1504529/pacolli-publikon-letren-comors-vazhdon-ta-njohe-kosoven-propaganda-serbe-tentoi-ta-zhbeje-ate-por-nuk-ia-arriti/

AlexBachmann, ComminutedOrange since I'm new and still learning. Please move Comoros to the recongition list.HokutoKen (talk) 23:54, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Oman

The official website of the Foreign Ministry of Affairs of Oman has publish a statement in which they had an official meeting with the President of Kosovo and it clearly states Kosovo as “The Republic of Kosovo” which shows that Oman does in fact recognise Kosovo as an Independent state. https://fm.gov.om/foreign-minister-holds-meeting-with-president-of-kosovo/ 90.254.44.253 (talk) 10:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Meetings are meetings. It doesn’t really change anything at all. I mean the former Kosovo foreign minister Skender Hyseni said that a lot of the recognitions were false. We should only look at official government website information instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:17, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

This source is an official Government by the government of Oman not even Kosovo. This government source from Oman clearly states Kosovo as an independent republic therefore proving Oman recognises Kosovo. And if you are referring to Skender Hyseni, you should look at serb politicians that say that countries like Palau revoked recognition yet the Vice President of Palau visited Kosovo. Therefore even serb politicians are wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.44.253 (talk) 21:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Not unless we see real proof. I mean we need to see official news sources and official confirmations of both sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:17, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter any official can make a statement anytime and any place. It still doesn’t matter. The Foreign ministry of Kosovo has to confirm it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 17:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

The Foreign Ministry Of Kosovo has already confirmed this years ago as they have put Oman on their list of Recognised countries on the official Foreign Ministry of Kosovo website. Therefore, both countries have put this on their official websites confirming recognition from Oman. There is no doubt about the fact that Oman recognises Kosovo as it is very evident that they do. If Oman didn’t recognise Kosovo then they wouldn’t have posted that and they wouldn’t have said ‘The Republic of Kosovo’. https://mfa-ks.net/lista-e-njohjeve/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.44.253 (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Based on the evidence presented, I believe we have sufficient proof that the Sultanate of Oman recognises the Republic of Kosovo. The Kosovo foreign ministry official website lists Oman as one of the states that have recognised Kosovo. An official press release issued by the foreign ministry of Oman states that their foreign minister met with the president of the "Republic of Kosovo", a phrase that they would not have used if they did not recognise the existence of the "Republic of Kosovo". Therefore Oman should be added to the list of recognising countries with 04/02/2011 as the initial date of recognision with a note about the supposed confusion about status placed further down the page.ComminutedOrange (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

We have not seen anything yet other than from Facebook and Twitter and that can’t be real sources. We need official confirmation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Are you joking? Not only do we have sources from twitter and Facebook but we also have OFFICIAL sources from BOTH Oman and Kosovo which have BOTH posted on their official foreign Ministry Websites. Oman clearly recognises Kosovo and they both confirmed that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.44.253 (talk) 19:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Put Oman in the list of countries that recognize Kosovo - https://kryeministri.rks-gov.net/en/blog/the-sultanate-of-oman-fully-recognizes-the-independent-state-of-kosovo/

You can’t really rely on sources that are old and that involve social media. You need sources that are very credible and very recent ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 17:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Again, are you joking? We are not relying on social Media, we are relying on OFFICIAL FOREIGN MINISTRY websites by both Oman and Kosovo which are not even more than a year old. They are recent sources and even if they were older are still very valid. Add Oman to the list of recognising countries as it very evidently does! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.44.253 (talk) 22:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I will add Oman to the list of countries that recognise the Republic of Kosovo later today as there is now sufficient recent reliable evidence to support that fact.ComminutedOrange (talk) 09:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

You can wait until the official sources confirm it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

And once again I must repeat myself! Official sources have confirmed it. What is more official than official foreign ministry websites from both Oman and Kosovo?? So there’s no need to wait and we should add Oman to the list of recognising countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.254.44.253 (talk) 18:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

@RussGreekMexican I recommend you stop just denying things. Make good use of your time and stop this nonsense. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Okay but be accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 08:57, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Oman has recognized Independence of Kosovo its time to put it on list of recognition countries and paint it in the map! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 11:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Oman has been added to the list. ComminutedOrange (talk) 12:35, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Perfect - now lets correct the map and paint Oman blue. Today MFA of Kosovo congratulated Oman to its National Day.

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1593536966724792323?t=jHLoyWR1HfY5_N8S08JOIg&s=19 IllyricumShqip (talk) 15:31, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Palau Reconfirmation

During UN General Assembly President of Kosovo - Vjosa Osmani met foreign minister of Palau Gustav Aitaro where they reconfirmed bilateral relations & multilateral cooperation. I think we should therefore take Palau into the list of countries that DO recognize the Republic of Kosovo and dont hold on unconfirmed reports by Serbia.

Source: https://twitter.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1573063731466375171 IllyricumShqip (talk) 22:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Twitter accounts are not accurate information at all.

I think its an official statement by the President himself with the foreign minister otherwise they would not be attempting to make talks & photos together if it was not official meeting of two states. The sources which Serbia provided are also not accurate & very shady. In my view this meeting in the UN Assembly is a clear proof & accurate source that Palau recognizes Kosovo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 15:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Also confirmed on the official Presidency site by President Osmani of Republic of Kosovo:

https://www.facebook.com/PresidencaRKS/posts/pfbid02fEK6cnZZir2NvHNMqYhNmTKCFEw5d1RXwQiU5hFN6R5YpkhsMAwinbfMmXDcczxul — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 14:19, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Palau Vice President visited Kosova and reconfirmed relations with Republic of Kosova. Put Palau under countries who recognize Kosovo.

Source:

https://www.facebook.com/100044236458899/posts/pfbid02bXwvxwmPsv5TgTHGtmenTgq6faHtGWh6PERAZ22oEoS8CqUPA9MewuErjse5Bq5Sl/ IllyricumShqip (talk) 15:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I checked the map and Palau is still not colored Blue as recongized country - please edit the map! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Central African Republic

This country’s foreign minister met with President Vjosa Osmani Sadriu in Tunisia, in which they confirmed the bilateral relations. I suggest you to put CAR in the recognition list. Although no country has revoked the recognition, as it is not allowed.

Thank you Kosova666 (talk) 21:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Please provide a link / reference for this meeting and what was said. Thanks. ComminutedOrange (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

https://president-ksgov.net/sq/lajme/presidentja-osmani-mori-pjese-ne-hapjen-e-samitit-te-frankofonise-dhe-mbajti-fjalim-ne-sesionin-e-pare-plenar

Here it is the link, you can see also the meeting footage in Vjosa Osmani facebook profile. Kosova666 (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02M3hiWG4YRh7Xm7LkqYkMJnn2PKk9hTyw1GrpdPCQawW2WmmcLj2KMoghgiKEV4ZDl&id=100044236458899&mibextid=qC1gEa

The last picture in this post is with the meeting of Kosovo President Vjosa Osmani and the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Central African Republic Sylvie Baïpo Temon. Thank you Kosova666 (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Suriname reconfirmation

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1535326782408126464 37.26.85.252 (talk) 10:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Twitter accounts are not that accurate at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussGreekMexican (talk • contribs) 18:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Official twitter accounts of government bodies can be used as sources. Their posts are just short official announcements. A comparative example involves official accounts of the Ukrainian government which are regularly used as sources in relevant articles.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Also don't forget Tonga https://twitter.com/joeborghese/status/1554811669225906176 S.G ReDark (talk) 01:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter at all unless the foreign ministry websites and other news sources are mentioned then that’s when it’s valid. Also remember when the Kosovo government claimed that Jamaica 🇯🇲 had recognized Kosovo in February 2018. That Twitter post turned out to be a false alarm. The Jamaican Foreign Ministry said nothing had happened and it’s policy hadn’t changed at all. Right Here:

• The other sources are nothing better, just Serbian government and related media outlets. So we have to use such sources as the only ones available. Ktrimi991 (talk) 08:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
  • The twitter posts highlight meetings between both the representatives of Suriname, Tonga, Palau and Kosovo. The posts do not make any reference to diplomatic recognition and I have no found no news article or embassy publishing online making a statement that Suriname, Palau and Tonga have changed their diplomatic status with Kosovo in recent days (please correct me if I am wrong). Given the controversial nature of this page, ramming these edits through and making inferences based off a twitter post or attached photo in the edit summary is creating unnecessary conflict - WP:IMPARTIAL. The fact that editors haven't waited a few days for news article to be published to provide greater evidence to the changes is of concern. WP:STATUSQUO should prevail and a proper discussion should be had on the talk page before making edits. ElderZamzam (talk) 22:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
    • I hate to inject a wild new thought into this, but countries that have not changed their positions will not keep announcing that they've not changed their positions. The president of Kosov and the FM of Palau met, as per the Twitter link, and "...reconfirmed our strong bilateral relations & multilateral cooperation." That is the sort of thing you would say if relations had never lapsed or been broken. There would be no need to issue a statement saying relations were never broken just to satisfy the pedantic, often arbitrary, evidentiary standards of wikipedia editors. It is possible that news that recognition was withdrawn was...dare I say it...incorrect. Meaning, you could be insisting we cling to information that is, to put it simply, wrong. Foreign ministers and presidents don't meet with representatives of countries that they have withdrawn recognition from and reaffirm their commitment to build on their existing relationships. Foreign ministries are not going to issue statements just to make editors happy. Twitter has become, for better or worse, an authoritative source for official news. A tweet from an official source is as good as an official statement. It's not an inference to take them at their actual word. - ILBobby (talk) 04:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Also Comoros https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=255437182611847&set=a.252818096207089&type=3 S.G ReDark (talk) 23:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, we've got to add the Comores, Togo and Tonga to the countries recognizing Kosovo. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:23, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

• I have carefully checked your new additions and they are not constructive nor an improvement. Twitter, self-published, primary source, and Albanian tabloids are not WP:RS. No ammount of edit warring will changed it. On the side note, 1 IP editor and 3 registered editors who rarely edit appearing during the same time and other editors jumping in to revert, on the same topic, just within few days, is quite rare in my editing experience.Best. Take care. Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:55, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, announcements of any Ministry of Foreign Affairs on twitter or on their official website are always self-published. WP:SELFPUBLISHED is unrelated to such publications. I agree with ILBobby: if representatives of Kosovo meet with representatives of other countries and a short announcement is published, this is more than enough.--Maleschreiber (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

The Vice President of Palau is in Pristina on an official visit [30] - ILBobby (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I checked the map Suriname is under recognition countries but on the map its still grey - please edit the map and make Suriname blue! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 18:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

We have got official statements of the MFA-Kosovo who congratulated the Republic of Suriname showing bilateal relations with both countries. Therefore we shall paint Suriname blue in the map!

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1596092555514597379?t=hMuDSlcAEu0tt5ftbKK8cg&s=19 IllyricumShqip (talk) 12:18, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

References

Sierra Leone Reconfirmation

Sierra Leone`s Amabassador Rashid Seasy to UAE visited Kosovas Ambassador Xhabir Hamiti to UAE in their office reconfirming the relations in which Sierra Leone recognized the Republic of Kosovo in 2008.

Mr. Hamiti has published an meeting together with H.E. Rashid Seasy confirming together bilateral relations. Put Sierra Leone to the list of recognition countries to Kosova!

Source: https://twitter.com/XhabirH/status/1591004716988715008 IllyricumShqip (talk) 09:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

A previous meeting at the Sierra Leonian embassy in the UAE- https://twitter.com/XhabirH/status/1524047162614681601 - ComminutedOrange (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Yes we should put Sierra Leone on the list of recognition countries and paint it blue! IllyricumShqip (talk) 15:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

We have got official statements of the MFA-Kosovo who congratulated the Republic of Suriname showing bilateal relations with both countries. Therefore we shall paint Suriname blue in the map!

https://twitter.com/MFAKOSOVO/status/1596092555514597379?t=hMuDSlcAEu0tt5ftbKK8cg&s=19 IllyricumShqip (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Only 97 recognize

Only 97 out of 193 recognize Kosovo, Israel being the last one and the one to push it over the majority.

https://www.danas.rs/vesti/politika/netanjahu-potvrdio-priznanje-kosova-od-strane-izraela/ 76.66.122.125 (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

This is only what the Serbian media & government wants the world to believe - please dont share Serbian propaganda news and if there is countries who revoked the recognition give us proofs like note verbal of the countries that did so or confirmed news multiply published so the source becomes credible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 11:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022

Please update the Afghanistan flag to 2021 verson. 76.74.122.28 (talk) 19:26, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

•  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Vanjagenije (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022

Hey guys, let's change: "As of 4 September 2020" to "As of July 2022" using the following source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-kosovo and change the rest of the article accordingly. Nikola.mirkov (talk) 16:45, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Is this a reliable sources? Lemonaka (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The worldpopulationreview.com article cited itself cites this very Wikipedia article; it is a WP:CIRCULAR source and shouldn't be used to verify anything on Wikipedia. Aoidh (talk) 20:55, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

In the sentence "As of 4 September 2020, 101 out of 193 (52.3%) United Nations member states [...] have recognised Kosovo on both Serbian and Kosovan side.", what was the grammatically incorrect fragment "on both Serbian and Kosovan side" trying to say? (I see it was only added to the sentence recently, and have removed it for now.) -sche (talk) 00:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

A recognition can not be invalided

As @ComminutedOrange pointed out, a country can not "derecognize states". I don't understand in a high degree why @Coldtrack and @Griboski revert my edits. The long paragraph that is "not necessary" is extremely relevant to this question. Yes, the source does not mention Kosovo literally but it is still applicable to this issue. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

You're not right. You can derocognise states just as you can punch a justice minister in the jaw. The point you are selling is that "it is illegal", but it doesn't mean it cannot happen. Lots of things under international law have been illegal, namely the western involvement in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and Iraq, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your source presents an opinion for one, and gives no further information on what the prescribed penalties are for doing so, and who should administer this. The code of any "international law" is sketchy to say the least. Anyhow, right or wrong. this isn't the article for the statement. You need to migrate the points onto the correct article, and then present an NPOV passage here in one line if you can which links to the main text on the correct page. This article is only about who does and who doesn't recognise Kosovo. If you look down the list of states not to recognise, where the backstory may be too much for a simplified table, there is a link to deovted articles, such as China's reaction to the 2008 Kosovo declaration of independence. --Vrhunski (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Can you prove your statements? I've provided two reliable sources, but your explanation is based on hearsay. This has to be in the article because it is relevant. It is not relevant if countries take the international law seriously, we have to include what the law says. And that is a fact. The NATO involvement in Belgrade in 1999 is completely irrelevant to this question, I'll dismiss it. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:22, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

You're missing the point completely. Reliable sources or not, it is off-topic for one as it does not address the subject of the article, but rather comments on a related aspect. But the even bigger issue is that you are wildly exaggerating so-called "international law". International law is a set of conventions and not a codified protocol laid down. It is more a "handshake agreement" inherited down changes of government than anything else. This is why when an actor challenges a measure from a polity of any nature, bodies such as the ICJ can only give advisory opinions, and even then the judgement is a "consideration" based on the collective input from participating nations. If international law were as cut and dried as your wording suggests, then your sources would not so much be required to produce unqualified opinions (i.e. being a "reliable source" does not necessarily mean being "qualified body") but should instead cite chapter and verse where withdrawal of recognition violates the statute. As such, it's a total non-starter. --Vrhunski (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

International Law starts with the United Nations. According to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, the United Nations reaffirmed the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and Annex 2, and reaffirmed the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo. The Republic of Serbia is a successor of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and Security Council Resolution 1244 remains in-force. 174.91.152.136 (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo recognition

Is anyone going to update the list of kosovo recognition and kosovo withdrawal recognition from the 9 countries that withdrew its recognition of kosovo?? 120.18.0.130 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

As previously stated there has been no proofs like note verbal from these mentioned countries by Serbian President Vucic that they truly derecognized the Republic of Kosovo.

Even further the Foreign Ministry of Kosovo has stated that they didnt received any note or confirmation from these countries that they derecognized Kosovo.

So therefore the Wiki-editors have mentioned and written the developments about recognition on the page but will not remove the countries from the list since there has been no confirmed proven facts. IllyricumShqip (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

9 countries

9 more derecognitions. Please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.160.218 (talk) 18:36, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Fake news from Serbia without proof! IllyricumShqip (talk) 19:59, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

How is it possible that this page is edited by a person of Albanian nationality, while it is clearly seen that he is subjective? The countries that withdrew the recognition of "Kosovo" were, without clear evidence, returned among those that recognize independence. An example is Suriname. Tonight, it was announced that 9 countries have withdrawn their recognition of independence, and as a Wikipedia user, I demand that it be written in the article, and not cited as "false propaganda" from Serbia! 89.216.170.17 (talk) 22:23, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

On January 4, 2023, the President of Serbia, Aleksandar Vucic, shared with the public a further nine (9) countries that reversed their decision to recognize Kosovo. The foreign minister of Serbia, Ivica Dacic, had previously stated that the countries in question issued letters to Belgrade confirming the decision. The countries are as follows: Somalia, Burkina Faso, Gabon, Eswatini, Libya, Guinea, Antigua and Barbuda, Saint Lucia, and Maldives. The map and page should be corrected accordingly. 174.91.152.136 (talk) 03:19, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Its just Serbian statements give us proofs like Note verbal of derecognition of the mentioned countries. If you dont have that its simple Serbian lies/propaganda. IllyricumShqip (talk) 10:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

IllyricumShqip. Propaganda is one thing. Lies is another. Propaganda need not always be false. What we have so far is neither one nor the other. We have an early days claim from the Serbian president. He could be right, or he could be wrong, and if he is wrong, it is likely due to being misguided more than deliberately aspiring to mislead. 24 hours on, and it remains just a claim, while information of this nature takes some time to percolate to the public, particularly in light of the fact that whether or not Gabon per se recognises Kosovo is obscure and to most people in this world (including news agencies) largely unimportant. --Coldtrack (talk) 18:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Wikipedia discusses government claims in a neutral manner by comparing and contrasting different statements. The government of Serbia has put forward a specific claim which the government of Kosovo considers to be false. Hence both statements should be given equal weight in the article.--Maleschreiber (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Similar claims of withdrawals of recognition have been made in the past and refuted or shown to be incorrect. We should await corroboration. - ILBobby (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

ILBobby. Of the countries to have recognised Kosovo, there has not yet been an occasion where Serbia has declared withdrawn recognition for it to be "refuted". Yet every one was at some stage denied by Priština. We are not at the point that the table needs amending because that much does need stronger confirmation, but if you listen to what Vučić said two days ago, he announced that nine had withdrawn and a tenth was on the offing, whereas he openly conceded that all of the rest of the world's states' recognition of Kosovo is incontrovertible. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 09:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

[31]Liberia, [32][33] Palau, [34] Guinea-Bissau. There are three examples. - ILBobby (talk) 22:11, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

The Foreign minister of Kosovo has stated that they havent received any notification of withdrawls of recognition by the states which were mentioned by the Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic. https://twitter.com/xhemajl_rexha/status/1611018862790848512 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 01:37, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Without any notes verbales there can't be done anything. AlexBachmann (talk) 22:11, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Somalian ambassador to Türkiye Jama A. Mohamed met with his colleague Kosovan ambassador to Ankara Agon Vrenezi where they held an productive discussion on bilateral relationship - exposing & showing the Serbian reports of Somalia´s derecognition of Kosovo:

https://sinjali.com/ambasadori-i-somalise-demanton-vuciqin-per-cnjohjen-e-kosoves-takohet-me-vrenezin/

Here is aswell an tweet showing them together - https://twitter.com/KosovoInAnkara/status/1612758307264929793 — Preceding unsigned comment added by IllyricumShqip (talk • contribs) 22:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

The Ambassador of Kosovo in Brussels met the Ambassador of Libya to Belgium on 11 January where both stated that they intended to deepen Kosovo-Libya relations: https://twitter.com/AgronBajrami/status/1613153470915268609 - this clearly casts doubt on Vucic's claim that Libya has de-recognised Kosovo. Dn9ahx (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Similar situation to the two cases above - The Ambasador of Kosovo in Canada met with his Gabonese counterpart to discuss bilateral ties and cooperation: https://twitter.com/Adriatik_K/status/1613254147721109505 - Dn9ahx (talk) 22:24, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

The ambassador of Kosovo to Portugal met the Libyan ambassador to reaffirm good relations [35] and the ambassador of Kosovo to the United Kingdom met the high commissioner of Eswatini to strengthen relations [36], and for good measure, Guinea-Bissau again [37]. All meetings occured today. - ILBobby (talk) 02:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Reconfirmation of bilateral relations from the Maldives - https://twitter.com/MDVinJapan/status/1613744851555844097 - https://twitter.com/Blerim_Reka/status/1613578836590960640 - almost all of the reported de-recognitions now appear to be doubtful Dn9ahx (talk) 12:43, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Summary of at least five reconfirmations disputing Vucics claims - https://balkaninsight.com/2023/01/13/kosovo-debunks-serbian-claims-about-derecognitions/ Dn9ahx (talk) 14:15, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Togo confirms withdrawal of recognition

From the foreign minister himself, in Belgrade [38], actual confirmation. This is the standard of evidence needed for confirming withdrawals of recognition - the country in question actually says so in public. - ILBobby (talk) 17:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah thats the first confirmed withdrawal of recognition from an country since Kosovo Independence 2008. IllyricumShqip (talk) 23:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

List of countries

Can someone update the list of countries that withdrew their recognition of Kosovo’s independence????? 120.18.168.152 (talk) 07:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC) Please delete wrong information — Preceding unsigned comment added by HulkNorris (talk • contribs) 19:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes please we should keep the page with verified information not rumours or speculations. IllyricumShqip (talk) 06:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Serbia confirms to recognise Kosovo passports

Serbia confirms with Ohrid agreement that recognise respective documents and national symbols, including passports, diplomas, licence plates, and customs stamps. 37.26.82.234 (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the request. I've added this information to the article. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Kenya recognise Kosovo passports

Kenya recognise Kosovo passports from 23 march 2023 37.26.82.234 (talk) 15:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

What I have found:

"Today, I visited the President of the Republic of Kenya, my friend William Ruto, in Nairobi to thank him for his friendship over the years. During the meeting he informed me that he has taken a decision by which the Republic of Kenya has formalized the beginning of cooperation with the Republic of Kosovo in all areas of common interest. Recognition of the passport of the Republic of Kosovo is the first step of concreteization. This is a historic moment for Kosovo's diplomatic relations with Kenya."

• https://www.rtklive.com/en/news-single.php?ID=22977
• https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=752977542857806&set=pcb.752977582857802

Dn9ahx (talk) 15:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Added it Dn9ahx (talk) 09:19, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2023

As of April 5th 2023, there are currently 31 NATO members, while the cite still has it as 30 members Fluffleslubuani (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

 Already done - Closing as it appears you made the edit yourself. Tollens (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Gabon

https://www.kosovo-online.com/vesti/politika/dacic-sa-nijonde-cenimo-podrsku-gabona-teritorijalnom-integritetu-srbije-17-4-2023 89.216.170.17 (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Template

Somebody edited the template and wrote "88" countries. As long as this remains, I'll simply replace this template on this article. Biased and not discussed. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Isn't it more simple to edit the template? That is what templates are for. Vanjagenije (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2023

The color for "States which have stated that they do not recognize Kosovo as independent" in the legend for the map should be "#ff5a20" as on the map. IvanLudvig (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Lightoil (talk) 04:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Paint Palau blue in the map

I looked at the map and noticed that the point that represents Palau on the map is not colored in blue. Please revise the map and correct Palau on the map. Palau made an official visit to Kosovo in 2022 where they signed to deepen relations further. IllyricumShqip (talk) 05:45, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please provide link, I couldn't find anything about this alleged visit, or any Palau official statement in favor of Kosovo? 109.245.206.118 (talk) 00:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

https://president-ksgov.net/presidentja-osmani-priti-ne-takim-zevendes-presidenten-e-palaut-j-uduch-sengebau-senior-fuqizimi-i-grave-agjende-shteterore-dhe-globale/ Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 09:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo’s ambassador in Tokyo has presented credentials to the president of Palau. It’s therefore safe to say that Palau recognises Kosovo as an independent state. https://www.gazetaexpress.com/republika-e-palaut-rikthen-njohjen-sabri-kicmari-akreditohet-si-ambasador-jo-rezident/

Grenada

Vjosa Osmani (President of Kosovo) has just posted a meeting with the Prime Minister of Grenada where they stated that they ‘reaffirmed their bilateral relations’ which means they still hold official relations and that Grenada recognises Kosovo. This once again confirms the Serbian propaganda of the ‘derecognition’ of Kosovo! The meeting was also held with the national symbols of Kosovo, which a non-recogniser wouldn’t do. Grenada still recognises Kosovo so add them on the list!!90.255.43.28 (talk) 17:01, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Both the president of Kosovo and prime minister of Grenada have confirmed "strong diplomatic ties" between the two "countries" on their official social media profiles. Granada's prime minister also explicitly stated that he met with the president of the "Republic of Kosovo". Safe to say that Serbia's claims of Grenada de-recognising Kosovo are false and that Granada can be re-added to the list of recognisers. https://twitter.com/pmogrenada/status/1705389243491930437, https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02gaPCYMAXNNBPqjELGzxMtYm5pJJDNJXVUBoDkjNEwHjqsYWMzX4oirqiYGDCesU5l&id=100083240295233&mibextid=qC1gEa&paipv=0&eav=Afbdf9gbKpU9R5hpZGAqN6OMrOqKvrNioiLrvL66LijwodKZJ4Ue4PBtJA7zSRvt76E&_rdr, https://twitter.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1705261446303506731 - Dn9ahx (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

I ask the administration to paint Grenada blue in the map and thank them for putting it on the recognition list. Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 18:31, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Suriname does not recognize Kosovo

As the article itself states, Suriname has withdrawn its recognition of Kosovo: https://www.mfa.gov.rs/en/press-service/statements/serbia-and-suriname-are-friends-and-partners-foreign-ministers-agree It therefore needs to be taken off the list of 101 countries that supposedly recognise Kosovo. Dan Palraz (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

President Osmani of Kosovo met with President of Suriname Santokhi in UN Climate Conference and commited to strenghten cooperation.

Suriname does recognize Kosovo.

Source - https://twitter.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1731331203792240899?t=1aeL19PqBscTix2wWGYbDw&s=19 Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Lesotho recognizes Kosovo

President Osmani met with King Letsie III and Queen 'Masenate Mohato Seeiso of Lesotho" of Lesotho in UN Climate Conference and committed themselves to deepen the relations of their countries. Lesotho does recognize Kosovo - put Lesotho on list of recognition countries Source: https://x.com/VjosaOsmaniPRKS/status/1732120430742221193?s=20 Strong supporter of Kosova Independence (talk) 19:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Done.--Dualiteti (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2024 (UTC)