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Mughal Empire

I request the writer of this article to add an image describing Mughal empire also.Ovsek (talk) 09:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

your primordialism is showing

come on, indian nationalism is a post-1857 phenomenon, nobody is going to be fooled with the grab-bag of miscellaneous "historical precedents" under "National consciousness in India" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.101.232.28 (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

States and principalities

JosephusOfJerusalem, this edit was completely undue. In the first place, the section is on "National consciousness" and not about states. Even though the current content talks mostly empires, which is not all there is to the issue, just arguing that India had many states at various times doesn't disprove the existence of national consciousness.

The statement that political boundaries "largely followed" ethnic ones is completely wrong. In North India, there was always a dialect continuum as uanfala can confirm, i.e., there were no "ethnic boundaries". In South India, there were ethnic boundaries, but for the most part of history, the kingdoms were always cross-cutting. (The only exception was the period 1100-1300, when there kingdoms along ethnic lines, but Alauddin Khalji destroyed them, after which they reverted to cross-cutting empires again).

The author Sagarika Dutt is a specialist in International Relations, not on Indian history. No Indian historian worth their salt would make absurd statements like this. Nottingham-Trent University is not a hotshot University and the Third World Quarterly is not a hotshot journal. Everything about this edit shines bright red lights. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid there is too much WP:OR here, both in your comment and the current content. You can't keep the current false content ("many empires") with this same argument of title. And Capitals00 the WP:BURDEN of providing sources for restored unverifiable content is now on your shoulders. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just an add-on, the idea of nations and national consciousness are modern concepts. No such thing existed in ancient times. This is universally accepted in scholarship.^[1]^[2] Anyone arguing otherwise will just have to find themselves convincing academics rather than push nationalist POVs. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 18:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Benedict Anderson (17 November 2006). Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism. Verso. ISBN 978-1-84467-086-4.
^ Ernest Gellner (2008). Nations and Nationalism. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-7500-7.

Responding to the ping, I can confirm that most of the northern half of the subcontinent is one enormous dialect continuum with very few meaningful linguistic boundaries and with ethnolinguistic identities that have often changed. I don't know much about the history, but the statement about political boundaries following ethnic ones does sound really odd. WP:OR of course has no place in article text, but we still need a way of judging the reliability of sources. If there are reasons to doubt a bold assertion made by an academic outside of their area of expertise, then I don't think we should included it in an article unless we have good reasons to the contrary. – Uanfala (talk) 12:23, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Josephus, there you have it. It is ironic that you should start pushing a scholar who doesn't seem to know ABC's of history whereas you are contesting the "historian" label almost everywhere else.

The sentence that you have tagged for "citation needed" is an introductory sentence which is saying "many empires", gives some examples and gives you a link to the main article History of India. It is clearly verifiable. Even though I don't believe that "nationhood" necessarily requires political unification, I don't find anything here to be wrong.

And, as for "nationalism" being a modern concept, read the second paragraph of nationalism. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just removed the contentious WP:OR that was in the text. Waiting for someone to provide sources. JosephusOfJerusalem (talk) 23:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aha... - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:21, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Father of Indian Nationalism(Earliest account of Indian Nationalism)

Earliest thought on Indian Nationalism I saw is from the book-(http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Varthamanappusthakam). Source link is here -^[1] Any other recorded history of Indian Nationalism? Reply with thoughts and opinion on adding this to the page.Manabimasu (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.nasrani.net/2013/01/28/nazrani-history-and-discourse-on-early-nationalism-in-varthamanapusthakam/#identifier_53_1038. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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Request to add Anti-Western sentiment, Anti-Pakistan sentiment, Anti-British sentiment under the section Indian nationalism 223.25.74.34 (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Goldsztajn (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Benedict Anderson (17 November 2006). Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism. Verso. ISBN 978-1-84467-086-4.

[2] Ernest Gellner (2008). Nations and Nationalism. Cornell University Press. ISBN 0-8014-7500-7.

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