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Understanding octal IP addresses

Since I couldn't find any discussion on how to decipher octal (leading zero) IP addresses, I added the link http://blog.anta.net/blog/_archives/2007/9/29/3260244.html (scroll down to the "Another URI that has been used ---" paragraph). 85.156.238.134 08:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

IPv6 and OS support

... and an increasing range of Linux distributions include native support for the protocol ...

As far is I know casual linux distributions have been shipping with IPv6 enabled by default for several years. Of course there are special-purpose distributions that lack IPv6 among other features/packages, but these are not used by general desktop and server users. --Alvin-cs ✉ 17:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Short IP / Long IP

Hello,
could someone write something about long IPs? --87.173.250.179 16:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What some people call a "long IP" is usually just the decimal notation of the IP address. You can add that in somewhere if you like, but I'm not sure where it should go. Indeterminate (talk) 06:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Hello. This article has one source, which is good, as well as one or more inline links to RFCs. I added a "citations missing" tag because most of the article has no inline citations to help the reader evaluate what is written here. OK from my point of view to remove or change this tag. Thanks very much. Forgot who said the amazing thing is that the bear can dance at all. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 23:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Question about private IP Address ranges

Why are there reserved IP address-ranges? DarkNightWolf (T|C|M) 05:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Access page via i.p. adress

I don't know if this is a useful to be included in the article or not, but how does one go about accessing a web page using the i.p. adress of that web page not the url?Veggieburgerfish (talk) 10:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Well... I guess it couldn't hurt to mention in the article that IP addresses are sometimes used in URLs. Anyway, you're confusing your terms a little bit: when typing a url (you know, in the address bar), you can type either the hostname (http://www.wiki.x.io) or the ip address (http://91.198.174.2). Hope that helped. Indeterminate (talk) 10:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the external link named How to decipher octal (leading zero) IP addresses (scroll down to the "Another URI that has been used ---" paragraph) has a wrong link (maybe the site owner changed the permalinks structure.

The wrong one is: http://blog.anta.net/blog/_archives/2007/9/29/3260244.html#octal
While the right one is: http://blog.anta.net/2007/09/29/fraudsters-offer-%e2%80%9ctax-refunds%e2%80%9d/

--81.174.15.50 (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

IP Address to Binary Conversion

Hi,In the article it shows the IP address is possible to converted into Binary. However it doesnt say how or have any citing for the source. I really would like to know is it possible to do it by hand without the help of the Binary table from 0 - 255 Xannetic (talk) 22:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What about commercial static IPs?

I know that computers with static IPs on local networks are common, but what about commercial static IPs that are assigned by the ISP? It isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. Erik212 (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

IP addresses for USA

This page says US has almost 40 per cent of all IP addresses worldwide in 2007. Is there any way to know actual number of IP addresses worldwide? Another page gives different figures for UK.

My guess: US has almost 2 billion IP addresses while the rest of the world has another 3 billion IP addresses, after reckoning IPv4, IPv6, DHCP, NAT, RFID tagged devices, SNMP-enabled (HVAC) devices, IP-enabled devices (apart from computers).Anwar (talk) 21:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

We need reliable sources, such as ip2location. Thanks, SqueakBox 21:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

static or dynamic?

I am an unsophisticated computer user. If I have dsl should I have "static", or "dynamic"? Does it matter?64.24.48.3 (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Treatment of "static" vs. "dynamic" in the article is very vague, and not actually correct, depending on circumstances. I will try to refine it soon. With DSL you can have either static or dynamic address, depending on how your ISP installs/configures your router. Kbrose (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Link?

What happens if you follow a link to your own IP address? 75.118.170.35 (talk) 11:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Running out of IP's?

I was watching the news a few days ago, and they said the world is starting to run out of IP addresses. I find this very revevant, but I dont see it in the article. Might want to find an article on it and add it. --Briguy9876 (talk) 18:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

this fact is already well documented in WP and also referenced in this text with links. Nonetheless, I have added a section referring to the main article for those who only read headlines. Kbrose (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

Does changing the IP address is illegal? What sites do they use? 70.45.182.188 (talk) 20:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Not illegal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.165.10.94 (talk) 06:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC) u

A very important and unanswered question

I have not found the answer to the question: What is the composition of the IP address? What do those blocs of numbers indicate? It would be very much appreciated if you include that information under the IP page. Thank you!--Reinaldo Contreras (talk) 01:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Duplicated material

Much of the material on this page is duplicated in the extensive Addressing section of the IPv4 article. IPv4 address redirects to this section of the IPv4 article. Over on the IPv6 side, things are a bit more reasonable - there is a summary section with Error: no page names specified (help). pointer to the IPv6 address article. We can't exactly follow that model here because this article is trying to cover both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses.

I suppose what we can do is create a new IPv4 address article and merge this article and the Addressing section into it. The Addressing section would be rewritten as a summary a la what we see in the IPv6 article. The This article can then become a short introduction to the concept of IP addressing and point to IPv4 address and IPv6 address as main articles. Any other ideas? --Kvng (talk) 15:01, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Number of Networks for Class C in Historical classful network architecture

The article states that there are 2,097,151 (221-1) networks available in Class C network. However, the reason for subtracting one Class C network from 2,097,152 (221) is not explained anywhere, whereas the reason for subtracting two networks from Class A is clearly explained in the article. In fact, There is no mention of that one unused network for Class C in the article Classful network, while the two unused network for Class A is also explained in that article.

The only explanation that I could find for subtracting one network from Class C is due to 192.0.0.0 being used for private networking, but that would mean that other networks would need to have one less network as well.

Can someone add a valid reason behind stating that 2,097,151 (221-1) networks are available for Class C network? Otherwise we would have to change it to 2,097,152. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeraxeal (talk • contribs) 07:03, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


Info about the standardization.....

--222.67.211.10 (talk) 09:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

--222.67.211.10 (talk) 09:04, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

--222.67.211.10 (talk) 09:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Reference section need to be closely examined.....

and I leave it for ISO 690 panelles to fix it up --222.64.223.117 (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

SAVI, and obsolete RFC

Should some sort of a reference to source address validation, aka unicast reverse path filtering, be made here, do you think?

Also: RFC3330 has been replaced by RFC5735. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.230.52.51 (talk) 00:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

List of web-based tools for determining one's IP address on the global public Internet

Hi. In this edit, Mindmatrix (talk · contribs) removed the list of web-based tools for determining one's IP address on the global public Internet as "spammy". "http://en.wiki.x.io/Special:Mytalk (only if you are not logged in)" is "spammy"? Really? Having verified that all of the URLs on that list work for the designated purpose with a minimum of fuss (except nine that did not work, one that is blacklisted here, and five that included popups, excessive ads, a need for an unused language pack, misleading prepended zeros, and a frightening unauthorized access prohibition), I am about to undo the "rm spammy list" portion of that edit.   — Jeff G. ツ 18:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

What is the reason for having this long list? It seems to conflict with WP:EL and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Johnuniq (talk) 02:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
I have addressed the length of the list by splitting it into two columns in a table, and collapsing the table. The URLs are accurate and on-topic, in compliance with WP:EL. Which specific part of WP:INDISCRIMINATE are they out of compliance with?   — Jeff G. ツ 17:32, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
Formatting the information is not the issue. Wikipedia is often used to promote websites by people who add links in articles (I'm not suggesting that you are doing that, but a list like this is an invitation for anyone to add further links, with no discrimination regarding which links are particularly pertinent to the article). WP:EL suggests that there should be a reason to add a link, rather than needing a reason to remove one. From WP:NOTDIRECTORY we have the general rule that Wikipedia is not intended to provide extensive lists. Why should this article have all those links? I suppose I should ask for opinions at WP:ELN. Johnuniq (talk) 02:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I too am looking for justification as to why this material should be included. I think there is ample justification for excluding it. --Kvng (talk) 15:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
I have asked for opinions at WP:ELN#IP address. Johnuniq (talk) 02:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

clarification of what this means please

in my view, the whole tone of this article is too "geeky" for such an important public topic.

I have a simple question - and I would expect wikipedia to answer this immediately as a yardstick for the quality of the article. question:

is the IP address my laptop, or the internet cafe I am using?

So if I move to another internet wifi, do I comment on wikipedia, or the other basic uses of IP address, from the same IP address or not?

Secondly, IP address crops up again and again as IMPORTANT - for example wikipedia logs your IP address if you are "anonymous" WHY? this is a critical and unique identifier of who is doing what on the internet, and the only thing that enters the real world of practicality identity and law - I believe the police may use IP addresses for finding who is reading certain websites, or you may be giving away details of your sexual preferences or other browsing habits, to someone, that you prefer to be secret, and you did not know.

In my opinion wikipedia needs a better quality of approach to this topic suitable for the general public and for answering these practical implications of identity and legality. How and why is it that IP addresses could lead to someone being in a law court, for example, what is the process that allows this, and makes IP address different from so many other details of computing?

94.116.38.22 (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the article is technical. I've marked it as such. On the Internet your IP address comes from your ISP. Your IP will change when you move from one ISP to another (e.g. different Wi-Fi hotspot). Your IP may change over time even if you stay with the same ISP connection. For legal and tracing topics you may be interested in the Network forensics article. --Kvng (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Bad Article, Needs Overhaul

I'm sorry, but this article is a perfect example of how Wikipedia is sometimes used as a sinkhole of esoteric information by people who know a lot about the subject but aren't particularly good at communicating it to others. After reading through several paragraphs I have learned about IPv4 and IPv6, classes (classless and classful), etc., etc. But I have yet to learn the basics...

1) What does the 32-bit number represent, how is it subdivided, and what do the subdivisions represnt? 2) How are IP addresses used in practice, and who uses them? 3) How are addresses asigned or unassigned?

I think this article needs an overhaul. The three questions above should be answered in the introduction in detail before discussing anything else. Next, some of the existing esoteric information can be presented for advanced readers. Anything dealing with the history of the IP address system should be put in a History section. Similarly, alternatives to the IP address like IPv6 or different classes should be put in a section dealing with the alternatives. After all, those are not what we use on a daily basis. Outside those sections, we should only discuss what we use in the here and now.

What say you? 155.13.48.17 (talk) 22:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

It would seem that the article defines its topic generally already in the lede. IP address is a label, it says, and that's all it is. If you want to interpret anything else into it, then you have to look for that elsewhere. The article also discusses representation in depth, and has plenty of pointers to discuss subnetting and even the obsolete class system. The lede itself talks about the use of IP addresses, what their purpose are in addressing and routing. The article further discusses assignment. The article may not have great style, but everything you asked for is clearly there. There is virtually no esoteric information in the article, what is there is pretty common stuff. Kbrose (talk) 23:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The article is currently rated Start-class. That's probably about right. The criticism is useful and should not be a surprise. --Kvng (talk) 00:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

prediction of the past

As of 21 January 2011 predictions of an exhaustion date for the unallocated IANA pool converge to 18-Jan-2011 So, the end of the world has already happened?--Azarien (talk) 09:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protection?

This page recently received a lot of vandalism from anonymous editors. Can it be semi-protected?Jasper Deng (talk) 04:44, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

You can request that here. --Kvng (talk) 15:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

History of early allocations?

Is there an article that discusses the early block allocations of IP addresses? I know some corporations like IBM were initially issued huge Class A (16,777,214 address) blocks because in the beginning, people thought there would be more than enough addresses to go around, but most of these huge blocks were eventually returned to the pool for use by others. DMahalko (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

AFAIR these were never "returned" as such, because some of the block was already in use and this would have required those to be re-allocated. However when class A was replaced by CIDR and /8 etc., the old big blocks were split down within IBM, DEC, HP etc. and those smaller /16s etc. that were unused (or could easily be made unused) were what went back into the pool.
Was it HP who ended up with the most legacy space, having acquired Apollo's, then Compaq's and (indirectly) DEC's. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:38, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

ip

on wikipedia how do you find you ip address without signing your name? --27.2.209.144 (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Use Google. Rklawton (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
See WP:IP for Wikipedia-specific information related to IP addresses. I don't see an answer there but you can bring it up on the talk page. --Kvng (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
I added an archive link for you. --Kvng (talk) 13:37, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

A question

If you visit a website does it keep any record of your IP address after you have left the site please? SmokeyTheCat 16:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Clarification

In the image showing the IPv6 example the "2001" part should be shown as "0010000000000001". In the image the leading zeros are missing and this can cause confusion for those who convert left to right, as well as being inconsistent with the other parts of the address where the leading zeros are included.~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.45.75 (talk) 12:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

In the table titled "Historical classful network architecture" I believe the last (7th) column heading is misleading. As the context of the article is address classes and the first column heading is "Class," the heading "Number of addresses" could easily be misinterpreted as meaning the total number of addresses in the address class. I propose that this heading be changed to "Number of addresses per network." Coming right after column 6, "Number of networks," I believe that this will be more understandable.

I don't have edit rights to this page so I will have to request that someone who does make this change.

Thank you,

TechMaker (talk) 05:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Kvng (talk) 23:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

IP Addresses and Geography

There ought to be some mention about how IP Address ranges are associated with geography.Jonny Quick (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)Jonny Quick

Not everyone comes to read a server manual

Need a bit of "for dummies" too.

How about a simple explanation of what the number groups in the dot-decimal notation (that most average people see and make changes to upon occasion), and, for instance, why they always begin with "192". If it is in the page or links, it's too far buried in network-admin-speak for anyone who wouldn't already know the answer to ever stumble across it.

Not an uncommon issue on a wiki tech page. People are too eager to show how smart they are and forget to instruct and be helpful. Not trying to insult. If I was writing an article to convey knowledge from my "wheelhouse", I'd want to hurry and get to the good part as well. But it would be far more helpful to lay out some basics first.

G — Preceding unsigned comment added by GadflyGuy (talk • contribs) 21:14, 19 October 2011‎ (UTC)

RFC 1917 (JFGI) is why they begin "192.168." This warrants addition to the article.
There should probably be a better explanation of modern "/24" placed before the historical "Class C" Andy Dingley (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Only Class A can connect to internet?

werwe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.155.133.62 (talk) 15:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps www.geoiptool.com can be mentioned ?

Maybe https://www.whatismyip.com/ can be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.128.27.82 (talk) 21:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ownership, Value and Trading

I suggest that it would be useful to add information about ownership on public ranges. Once a range has been allocated out, is that range 'owned' by that organisation it is allocated to, or is it 'lent'. Some address space is now traded on closed markets (e.g. Addrex, so addresses have value. It is suggested that ARIN/RIPE have no legal hold over addresses given our prior to their advent.

With the IPV4 ranges quickly being used-up (another topic, probably not for here) more and more cases of IP-selling, value, cost and legal ownership/rights are going to arise globally in the next few years (my subjective view only). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.23.212.216 (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Interfaces have IP addresses not devices

The opening sentence is conceptually wrong. Interfaces have IP addresses not devices. This is obvious in two common situations: laptops with both an Ethernet interface and a wireless interface and a router which has a WAN interface and a LAN interface. Tarvid (talk) 06:09, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

<add.> I tend to agree, and interfaces aren't a subset of device, as devices themselevs can be logical rather than physical. ie an interface doesn't haev to be associated to a particualr physical device.

Edit request on 30 October 2012

"See Also" section should have a reference to: CIDR notation (or it should be mentioned in the text as an alternative method for specifying the subnet mask) 121.45.219.51 (talk) 08:27, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

  •  Done Request appears to be in good faith, the reason for protection is unrelated to the request, so I am adding it to the see also section. Anyone who disagrees is free to revert, as there has been no discussion on the request. Monty845 20:50, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
There was already a link to CIDR notation in the article body. I reverted and cleaned up other CIDR links. -—Kvng 14:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

See also cleanup

I have reverted user:Funandtrvl's cleanup of the the See also section. It does not appear that all of the deleted links (e.g. IP multicast) were duplicates. Feel free to discuss here what should be in the See also section. -—Kvng 15:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 February 2013

CONTROL INDIVIDUAL SYSTEM WITHOUT IP ADDRESS

The system control like logoff, restart, and shutdown are possible by using IP Address 
and/or some other commands. The commands that are based on the programming languages.
Here I give an example using 'shell' command that is used in Visual Basic 6.0.
Through shell command we can easily control the system. Actually the use of the 
command is to execute the .exe files and dos commands also.
Example.

Logoff the system by using shell command in Visual Basic;

private sub command1_click()
 shell("shutdown -l -f)
end sub

Restart the system;

private sub command1_click()
 shell("shutdown -r -f)
end sub

Shutdown the system;

private sub command1_click()
 shell("shutdown -s -f)
end sub


In the above mentioned examples, the command shutdown with the parameters 
-l(logoff), -r(restart), and -s(shutdown) are used. 
Additionally -f is used here that means force to do the tasks.

Ananthakumar Selvaraj (talk) 19:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[Ananthakumar Selvaraj] [SeA Microsystems]

Not done: Please explain what exactly you'd like to see changed in the article. The above text does not seem to fit the scope of this article.  — daranz [ t ] 20:57, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 25 February 2013

Please I would like to add a link to "http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/IP_aliasing" page in order to make the page does not remain as an "orphan" page. Ip aliasing page is related to IP address page so the link is right. Uestebanez (talk) 14:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Where do you want the link to be added? As of now, IP aliasing is not mentioned. HueSatLum 23:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I think it could be added on "See also" section. Thanks a lot. Uestebanez (talk) 08:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Done — HueSatLum 22:28, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

a — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.43.159 (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

IP addressing system is hierarchical?

????????219.151.155.164 (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

in the table 'Historical classful network architecture' the 'leading bits' part would look better in a format: 0??????? (and this is wrong: 000????? <-- add this as a comment to the table because after I've first) 10?????? (and this is wrong: 100????? read the article, I've made this mistake before reading the) 110????? table. I've made a mistake because of the misleading description above the table (first 3 leading bits). First 3 leading bits != not always 3 of them (sometimes one). More than that, I'd add something like: so the number (for the A class network) looked like: 0+ {0; 127}. There were 128 networks available within the class. For B class: 128+{0;63} , for C class 192+{0;31}. See this article source code as I don't know how wikipedia formats text.

As i see, there is not any ip showing sites like : http://www.ip-goster.net/ e.t.c. in external links. Did you decided not to put this kind of sites in Ip Adress page ?

ıf it isn't there is a lot of sites like that in multi language. I think it would be helpful to viewing users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.175.20.11 (talk • contribs) 14:55, August 31, 2007

Here's a resource as requested that shows IP location on a map: http://vpncreative.com Jlangvad (talk) 18:44, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Removed video

Hello Kbrose, could you tell me why I'm wrong with this video. I ask, because you didn't proved an edit summary or talk page entry. --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 15:50, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

That's not right: in this edit, the summary was clear: "video spam, classes are obsolete anyways". I don't want to watch a video to review it unless there is first a reason given as to how the video would help this article. Johnuniq (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Then please watch it, it's about IP adresses, URI, etc. What's wrong with it? --Rezonansowy (talk • contribs) 23:29, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

These videos are all in the style of YouTube, and appear more motivated by self-promotion than correct information. WP is not Youtube where anyone can publish their homemade movies. It is difficult to even watch this. As far as technical content, IP classes do not exist anymore. Classful networking was abandoned 20 years ago. Kbrose (talk) 00:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Is Living In A Fantasy Land

IP addresses are shared by a network. IP addresses commonly point to the wrong city. And, these days, IP addresses change for no apparent reason every so many days-to-months, assumably changed by ISPs, or some other such thing. So, why did I read sentences on this page claiming that every unique thing in the house gets it's own IP address? You lot are lying through your teeth. And, Wikipedia needs a complete overhaul to stop treating an IP address like it pinpoints who, and where someone is. (My current address says I'm way up North of where I am. I mean, way up North, in a completely different section of the entire state. It used to just commonly be in one of the neighboring cities... Now, it's got me claimed all the way up there...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.19.247.182 (talk) 09:12, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Under IPv4, IP addresses change a lot, and are increasingly hard to associate with a location. Under IPv6, there's lots of addresses, they don't tend to change very much at all. TcomptonMA 12:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TcomptonMA (talk • contribs)

My IP address changed twice somehow. 75.70.87.122 (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2014

2.178.11.138 (talk) 12:38, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2014

117.253.191.144 (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Disaster

hello i mukund lal a health practioner at a health center in distt up.i have just herd for disaster but not well known.i do'nt know the meaning of prepardness prior to today.still i can define what is disaster.it's totaly secular phenomenon.now a days we are facing various form of disaster in our state like cyclone,flood,sandslide,drought.yet our govt are facing well..≠≠ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.245.40 (talk) 14:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2014

This line:

An Internet Protocol address (IP address) is a numerical label assigned to each device (e.g., computer, printer) participating in a computer network that uses the Internet Protocol for communication

Is based on the assumption that a "device" is a "computer" and it only has one NIC ( Network Interface Controller ). This is an error.

For many servers several NIC are used to add resources.

This line should read:

An Internet Protocol address (IP address) is a numerical label assigned to each NIC ......

Also the idea of Local Area Networks vs. Internet IP values should be included early in the page.

For Example:

The Internet IP address may be a NAT to many local area IP values if a NAT is used.


Edward M. Goldberg (talk) 01:58, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess it is even worse than that because even a NIC can have multiple IP addresses. The sentence in question is in the lead and I don't think it is a good idea to detail all the wrinkles in the lead. I would propose softening the language in the lead and adding a new section to the article to comprehensively describe the types of entities which have IP addresses. ~KvnG 17:01, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
@EdwardMGoldberg: Now that you have made 10 edits you now have access to edit the article. Stickee (talk) 07:02, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2014

{{edit semi-protected|IP address|answered=y} Andrew Rebori Projects

  • 42 East Elm Street Chicago multi-family building 1923

Reference: Baird & Warner, Chicago "A Portfolio of Fine Apartment Homes" ca. 1938

98.206.26.244 (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: this page is only for discussing changes to the article IP address, so I suspect you are in the wrong place.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this on the talk page of the relevant article (Possibly Andrew Rebori?) in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2015

In the section Classless subnetting there is a language error in the first sentence. There third 'are' is unnecessary. The sentence reads:

IP networks are groups of adjacent addresses that are usually are routed similarly.

The correct sentence should read:

IP networks are groups of adjacent addresses that are usually routed similarly. Madislohmus (talk) 20:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Done and thanks for catching that. Cannolis (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Request clarification Dec 23 2014

Wikipedia entries should be accessible to a reasonably educated layperson. Many of the medical pages are still understandable despite the fact that some go into detail.

I am reasonably Web savvy, but not a tech professional. Quite a bit of this entry is incomprehensible to me.

I recommend adding a bit more to the top. The first paragraph is good. The new second paragraph should explain simply that it reveals your ISP and what that entails. Does it give away your physical location or company? Does it change each time you move around? What does it mean if someone has your IP? These are questions that your average reader will want explained simply and clearly.

As for the rest of it, I feel it is too long and too difficult. I'll take a sentence at random: "IPv4 address exhaustion is the decreasing supply of unallocated Internet Protocol Version 4 (IPv4) addresses available at the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and the regional Internet registries (RIRs) for assignment to end users and local Internet registries, such as Internet service providers." If this is significant, it needs to be explained better. If it's not significant, it needs to be cut for the sake of brevity. I'm deliberately not touching the page as I am not expert in this field. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PumpkinKitten (talk • contribs) 17:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

@PumpkinKitten: Thank you for your input. I have added some context to the introduction. The introduction already included "An address indicates where it is." Perhaps something more than a "See also" reference is warranted for IP address location, which redirects to Geolocation software. Re the sentence you quoted, it boils down to "We, the world at large, ran out of IPv4 addresses for the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) to give out". That is a very big deal. Without the availability of IPv6, you may not have been able to communicate on the internet today.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 22:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

IP PROJECTION NARUTOPEDIA

Please only they would bring back the Narutopedia A Wikia contributor please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.18.9.225 (talk) 19:05, 22 August 2014

What is its relevance to this article?   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 22:43, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2015

Paste of an entire article removed

41.218.234.110 (talk) 15:00, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the place to post suggested articles; please try articles for creation - however, you will need to show there has been significant coverage, in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. - Arjayay (talk) 15:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge

I suggest that Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IP Address conflict be merged into this article.   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 21:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Oppose as delete the address conflict article. Vague, wooly and WP:NOTHOWTO. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Oppose. The request actually was unintelligible and I removed the hat tag. Makes no sense. Kbrose (talk) 00:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
If "Internet protocol design does not follow OSI models", what does it follow?   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 05:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
The IETF has never concerned itself with OSI stuff. Read the articles here, they make it pretty clear that the Internet is based on the Internet Protocol Suite. Kbrose (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
IP address conflict is definitely a notable topic and deserves discussion on the encylopedia either as a new section in this article or as a stand-alone article. However, as others here have pointed out, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IP Address conflict is not the kind of coverage we're looking for. ~KvnG 14:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

First paragraph of lede

An Internet Protocol address (IP address) is a numerical label assigned to each device (e.g., computer, printer) participating in a computer network that uses the Internet Protocol for communication.[1] An IP address serves two principal functions: host or network interface identification and location addressing. Its role has been characterized as follows: "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how to get there."[2]

I have something to note about this lede paragraph, still I do not feel confident enough to change it and may not be entirely correct so I am just bringing attention to it here on the talk page.

I think it should be made completely explicit that a "device (e.g. computer, printer)" can have more than one IP address, as IP addresses are allocated to network interfaces (e.g. wireless card, Ethernet port) rather than the device per se? (ref section 4.4.2, Computer Networking - A Top Down Appreach 6e) As it stands, this first sentence implies a one-to-one relationship between IP addresses and devices such as computers and printers.

Zynwyx (talk) 11:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

The paragraph is essentially incorrect because an IP address is assigned to an interface (network card). However, the complete story would probably be unnecessarily complex in the introduction, since an accurate statement would point out that each interface can have multiple IP addresses. However, in a big-picture sense the paragraph is correct because if computer A wants to send a packet to computer B, A must find an IP for B, then send to that IP. A does not care what interface on B has the IP—from A's point of view the IP is a numerical label assigned to B, and A does not care how many IPs have been assigned to B—if the DNS query yields several IPs, A just picks one of them. Johnuniq (talk) 00:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Johnuniq that the lead has the big picture correct. It also fairly accurately summarizes the body of the article which is what we want. The body does not discuss the possibility of multiple interfaces and multiple IP addresses per interface. A contribution to the body describing this would be welcome. Once that's in, we can consider adding something to the lead that summarizes it. --Kvng (talk) 13:37, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, looking in terms of the big picture the sentence seems adequate now. Thanks Zynwyx (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2015

The heading of § Public addresses contains a {{visible anchor}} which causes edit summaries to link to #{{visible anchor|Public address}}es, which is a broken link (see the edit summaries shown here as an example). Please remove the extra anchor from the section heading and add it with {{anchor}} either above or below the line with the heading. 174.141.182.82 (talk) 04:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

No, and please do not do that on other pages. If I had some time I would investigate and revert. Check the talk page and archives at Template:Anchor. The exhaustive discussions have demonstrated that there is no good place to put an anchor, and putting it in the heading is the least bad. I'm not sure if you are referring to the text that is visible in the edit summary, or to the section link in the arrow shown before the edit summary in the page history. A very quick look makes me think that the section link is broken by {{vanchor}}, but I don't think it is broken by {{anchor}}. That needs investigation, perhaps at WP:VPT. Johnuniq (talk) 05:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
@Johnuniq: Any template within a heading breaks the default edit summary link. But, understood. And in my parenthetical, I was referring to the broken links. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 07:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
As I mentioned, there is no good solution. I asked for advice at WP:VPT#Broken anchor links. Johnuniq (talk) 08:20, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2015

i want to add my research in it also..... which i think is a new research and many ones will not be knowing this i researched for it, so thought about sharing it its about "4-octet principle" of assigning IP address is must which is not the case anyway allow me to please share my research ...so that everyone can know about it. 116.202.69.203 (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

 Not done Since you are not an autoconfirmed user, you cannot put that into the article yourself. However, you can let someone else do it for you. Please leave what you want added to the article below. Datbubblegumdoe (talk) 15:26, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Note: However, if, as you say, it your research, it will not be added to the article, as Wikipedia has a policy of No original research. All information has to be verifiable by having been published in a reputable newspaper, magazine, journal or book. - Arjayay (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2015

85.102.234.90 (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:13, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2016

46.40.74.190 (talk) 07:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. Jeh (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Requests for shared IP address notification

I'm using a shared IP and keep getting helpful Wikipedia users letting me know that "my" edits are non-contributory. Is there a way that my IP can be marked as a shared IP address? 165.214.12.76 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

This question doesn't belong on an article talk page. That aside, the IP address talk page already contains a template identifying it as a shared address. If you don't want to see such messages, use a dedicated IP or register an account with WP. You can also complain to the system administration staff at your institution that some of your employees are vandalizing WP or being otherwise disruptive, and perhaps they can address the issue at your company so that such behaviour and the resultant messages are mitigated. Mindmatrix 21:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2016

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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Datbubblegumdoe[talk – contribs] 03:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Private Address section

add IP range 224.0.0.0 - 239.255.255.255 to the IANA-reserved private IPv4 network ranges table - source = http://www.ip-tracker.org/ in2computers 104.15.208.16 (talk) 18:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:46, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Public addresses

I edited the section Public addresses (diff), because I could not find a reference for the statement, "in common parlance, is synonymous with a globally routable unicast IP address." Plus, that definition, even if correct, seems overly technical for the average reader.

There are references indicating that public IP addresses are "globally unique" (see citations 20 and 21 in the article), but I could not find anything about being "a globally routable unicast IP address." Maybe they mean the same thing (I don't know), but even if they do, "globally unique" would be preferable given that it is easier to comprehend.

I included three citations, including extended quotes from each, so that readers who desire more detailed, technical information can quickly link to resources that provide it.

For those of you with the expertise to understand it all, I did find a scholarly article that uses the term, "globally routable unicast IP address." Here is the citation, and a quote from the article, for any experts who may find it helpful:

Otto, J. S., Sánchez, M. A., Rula, J. P., & Bustamante, F. E. (2012, November). Content delivery and the natural evolution of DNS: remote dns trends, performance issues and alternative solutions. In Proceedings of the 2012 ACM conference on Internet measurement conference (pp. 523-536). ACM. http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/component/attachments/download/235/
3.2 Measuring DNS services (p. 527)
Public DNS services are typically offered on BGP anycast-enabled IP addresses, allowing all users to configure the same server IP address. Probing public DNS services can present a challenge for network-level measurements, as some anycast-enabled addresses do not respond to ICMP pings.
To determine the recursive DNS resolver's globally routable unicast IP address so that we can probe it directly, we use a technique similar to that used by Huang et al. [9]. We operate an authoritative DNS server that answers queries with the IP address of the recursive DNS resolver sending the query. This approach works because resolvers that answer queries on an anycast IP interface use a separate unicast interface to communicate with other authoritative DNS servers; our service returns this unicast IP address for the recursive resolver. Clients send a DNS query to the public DNS service's anycast IP address and receive its globally routable unicast IP address in the DNS response; this gives the client a mapping between the public DNS service and the unicast IP address for the recursive resolver. Clients report these mappings, which enables us to identify public resolvers in our dataset.
[9] C. Huang, D. A. Maltz, A. Greenberg, and J. Li. Public DNS System and Global Traffic Management. In Proc. of IEEE INFOCOM, 2011.

Mark D Worthen PsyD 20:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The original text was correct, although unhelpful and verbose. RFC 1918 specifies which IPs should be used for private networks, and it offers thoughts on the converse, namely publicly accessible networks. Its text is not very illuminating with stuff like "All other hosts will be public and will use globally unique address space assigned by an Internet Registry." The point of a public address is that it is unique and globally routable—that just means that anyone connected to the Internet can communicate with a host that uses a public IP because the traffic will be routed between the hosts (if everything is working, and if firewalls don't block the packets). The word "unicast" is spelling out that a public IP identifies the network interface of a single host. A reference is obviously best, and there is probably a textbook that would do. The above text relating to DNS includes "globally routable unicast IP address"—that just means the public IP, that is, the IP that is accessible from the public Internet. Johnuniq (talk) 04:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

I find the new version neither adequate nor correct, and most of the given references not reliable either, that was just a result of random Internet crowd-sourcing without regard to quality. The new definition starts out with the undefined term external facing, which apparently implies quite a bit of network architecture that is not explained and actually has not much relevance to the subject matter. In fact, in many large-provider networks, such as consumer cable systems, public addresses don't face externally at all, it could be stated that they rather face toward the private network of the provider, not at all onto the open Internet, whatever that may be. Language like globally routable unicast IP address is the correct term and should not be suppressed, just because it is perceived as too technical. The article already explains private address, and in that context a public address is any that is not included there. I am inclined to revert the change and suggest something along the recommendation just given by Johnuniq. PS: The editor himself states that he doesn't know the correct term and apparently not the subject matter to decide on correct explanation, yet changes the article instead of asking for clarification. Kbrose (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm confused.

Isn't there only 1 ipaddress , 127.0.0.1? Why are there more than one? Boorider7 (talk) 22:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

The Loop-Back Address 127.0.0.1 was just too useful to have only one address. When you author code that wants to "talk" to the localhost by IP value it is nice to have an IP value that is always correct for all systems. With more than one possible IP value for example 127.0.0.2 you can debug these requests and watch packets unique to your code use.

See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6890


Edward M. Goldberg (talk) 09:26, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm joking... But not on April 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boorider7 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2016

197.211.37.179 (talk) 12:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 14:02, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2016

116.197.129.186 (talk) 14:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

"Cloud IP" address : definition or section missing

Hi, cloud computing may use cloud IP addresses and it is difficult to find clear information (not for geeks) about it. Wikipedia should be the place for this need.

Here are some explanations I just found :

https://www.brightbox.com/docs/reference/cloud-ips/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.61.153.220 (talk) 06:09, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2016

Hello, I live in Bishopstone village and can confirm that there are approx 34 house and 57 people (not 200 people as stated above) .. thank you

87.113.29.229 (talk) 10:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC) Bishopstone, East Sussex

 Not done as you are in the wrong place, since this page is only to discuss improvements to the IP address article.
We have 5 articles on different villages called Bishopstone, but from the population you quote, I assume you mean Bishopstone, East Sussex?
That article is not semi-protected, so you could edit it yourself, but you will need to find a reliable sources to cite for your figures, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. Living there is irrelevant and counting houses/guessing would be original research which we do not include. - Arjayay (talk) 10:43, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Numeric identifier

@Enthusiast01: Your edit (diff) suggests that an IP address is not a numeric identifier. That is incorrect—an IPv4 address is a 32-bit integer and an IPv6 address is a 128-bit integer. They are numbers, and are treated as numbers by host computers and routers. Humans see representations of these numbers in text form, but they are integers inside the computer, and are not simply "numeric" in the sense that the text I am typing is represented internally in a numeric encoding. Johnuniq (talk) 08:59, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I am not going to press the point. Enthusiast01 (talk) 11:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2017

The the graphic "Decomposition of an IPv6 address from hexadecimal representation to its binary value" example is incorrect.

2001 decomposes to 0010000000000001 not 1000000000000001 as it is currently shown 2.102.255.48 (talk) 13:13, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the page IP address. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. You might be looking for the file on Wikimedia Commons, located here. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 20:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks IP. I uploaded a fix of the image but am totally confused about why it did not work. Also, it turns out there is an alternate image which could be inserted in the article instead. See commons:File talk:Ipv6 address.svg. Johnuniq (talk) 01:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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