Talk:Hyochang Park/GA1

GA Review

Passed. Ca ^{talk to me!} 00:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Seefooddiet (talk · contribs) 19:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Ca (talk · contribs) 11:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello—I'll be reviewing this. From a quick glance, the article looks solid. Every claim has a corresponding inline citation, and the coverage is detailed with a plethora of sources. There are some instances of awkward prose that should be rectified however.

Spotchecks

The area of the park is 12.3307 hectares (30.47 acres). A large pine forest is present on the grounds. ✓ Pass
During the Japanese colonial period, the name of the area was changed to Kuyongsan'goji (구용산고지; 舊龍山高地) ✓ Pass
It was a nine-hole golf course designed by a British person and operated by a nearby hotel. ✗ Fail The source states that it was designed by a group of British advisers, not a singular person. I recommend finding a higher quality source for this claim. Edit: the 한겨레 source says it was built by a 영국인, singular, so a more authoritative source is needed.

The last Crown Prince of Korea Yi Un played at the course✓ Pass

The Hyochang Park Martyr Memorial Society (효창공원 순국선열추모위원회) was established on March 10, 1978. Beginning in that year, the organization has held an annual memorial ceremony for independence activists on April 13, the anniversary of the establishment of the KPG. ✗ Fail? The cited website is simply the "서울의 공원" and there is no info on the society or the ceremony.

The heavily cited journal Buildings is a MDPI journal, but the two authors seem to be professors with long tenure. I'd treat like WP:EXPERTSPS.

At the time, it was the largest green space in Seoul. In 1915, the Yongsan police department held a ceremony for their new chief in the area. ✓ Pass

In 2002, the Kim Koo Museum was constructed in place of a tennis court during the Kim Dae-jung administration.✓ Pass

However, its construction was met with some pushback by sports organizations. ✗ Fail I don't see any mention of sports organization or even any pushback in the cited article

In 2005, President Roh Moo-hyun announced a plan to demolish the stadium and turn the park into a more dedicated memorial space, but the plan faced opposition and was eventually scrapped✓ Pass I did edit the sentence a little bit for clarity and to make it more in line with the cited source.

In 1925, a significant flood occurred [ko] in the surrounding region that led to the deaths of hundreds of people.[17][9] In the aftermath of the flood, a temporary relief camp was made in the area. ✓ Pass

Noh Hyeong-seok of The Hankyoreh speculated that the park might have became a national cemetery if not for Kim Ku's assassination, the Korean War, and the tense relationship between Kim and the first president of South Korea, Syngman Rhee. Rhee had placed police in the park to block mourners in the aftermath of Kim's death.✓ Pass

Noh alleged that, in 1956, Rhee conspired with the Seoul city government to move the graves of the independence activists elsewhere, and construct a stadium and circuit roadway in the area instead.✓ Pass, but Buildings citation seems out of place.

The government provided the pretense of the activists' graves being disrespected by children playing in the area. ✓ Pass

Copyedits

The park currently functions as both, although the majority of people may mostly know the park as a leisure space. The tone in this sentence confusingly sounds both certain and uncertain.

To its east is Sookmyung Women's University Reference point is ambigous between the park and the stadium.

Jeongjo wanted the location of the grave to be auspicious and close to the palace. I think a simpler word than auspicious could be used here.

A temporary grave for An Jung-geun is located right next to these three, but it lies empty as of 2021, as his remains have yet to be recovered. My Korean is admittedly rusty, but I don't see any mention in the sources that the grave is "temporary" in some way. It looks like the grave is reserved more than anything. If it is the case I recommend rewording to "An empty grave for An Jung-geun is located close to the three graves, as his remains have yet to be recovered as of 2021."

The golf course was closed in 1924. I think you should add the 'why' here.

reference ideas

[1]
[2]
<한국골프 100년사>, referenced at [3]

Misc.

All images appropriately licensed, found no copyright issues when spotchecking, Earwig negative, article stable.

I believe the lead could be structured better. The most notable part about the park is suck at the third paragraph, and the paragraph about the nomenclature could be more naturally incorporated with the third paragraph detailing the park's history.

Discussion

Hello, thank you for the review! Sorry for the delay in responses; just got back to the U.S. after traveling. I made some changes, but some of them I have some responses to.

For the British person point, that was a case where I put the wrong ref there; I meant to put the Hankyoreh ref. The previous ref there doesn't say that British advisors designed it, it says that they built it; there's thus no contradiction.
The tone in the first sentence I think is logically fine; it is definitely both a memorial and leisure center, but likely more people think of it as a leisure space.
Both the park and stadium are west of Sookmyung; I modified wording to make clearer
I can't identify a good simpler synonym for "auspicious"; "lucky" sounds too informal.
Finished the change for An Jung-geun grave
For closing in 1924, it's not clear to me why it closed. The three sources given just say that it did close in that year, and that a flood happened in 1925 (likely unrelated to the closing) and that eventually the area was made into a park. There's no casuality clear to me.
For the ref ideas, [1] feels somewhat minor to me; about stray cats in the park. [2] is behind a paywall. [3] if you're referring to the book mentioned in the article I'd have to order it and pay for overseas shipping.

Please let me know your thoughts, thank you! seefooddiet (talk) 00:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing my concerns. 👍 As for the ref ideas, they are sources that I found while doing independent source-searching, so you don't have to include them.

If you want, here is a unpaywalled version of [2]: [4] Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:37, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll incorporate [2], give me a bit seefooddiet (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Btw for the second two fails, I fixed the underlying 서울의 공원 link. I think when I used VisualEditor's automatic citation generator it stripped out the details of the link and just made it the homepage; sometimes that happens for Korean sites.

I'm a little busy irl but I'll try to wrap up adding stuff from that paper hopefully tonight. seefooddiet (talk) 00:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also found a detailed paper about the park's history with the title "효창공원의 장소성 형성과 변화 해석", which could fill in some of the gaps in the article (including why the golf course was closed). There is no direct download link, but you can find it using the search: https://seoulstudies.uos.ac.kr/korFree/list.do?list_id=60003D1&identified=anonymous&.

However, I don't want to overwhelm you with papers, and good articles do not have to be 100% comprehensive. So I will be passing the article once you finish wrapping things up.

Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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