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Tuberculosis

Hookah/shisha offered in public cafes can transmit chest disease - most commonly tuberculosis if used by an infected person and had not be sanitized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.118.38 (talk) 05:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


Health Concerns

I see that the article makes claim that water actually filters the tar and nicotine from the smoke as it travels through the water. Though I have no doubt that the smoke is cooled by the water (probably via condensation or the micro climate within the base), I have serious doubts that the water is 'cleansing' the smoke of any substantial levels of nicotine or tar. The smoke passes, rather rapidly, through the water and, due to past and present hookah designs, the smoke is actually contained within a bubble (see: cavitation) that protects most of the smoke from the water. Is there credible research to show otherwise? --Cobrabyte 21:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Having cleaned a hookah, and accidentaly tasted the residue, I can attest that much of the tar and nicotine is filtered, the smoke travels a longer distance, in a cool metal or glass area, causing much of the tar to deposit, nicotine is also very water soluble, and condenses easily. The smoke also spends alot of time imobile in those areas before being inhaled. However, the amount of nicotine and tar in the tobacco, the speed it is inhaled, and the temperature of the charcoal are all variable, so...

I removed the following text:

Nakhla shisha is actually not as dangerous as cigarette smoking, the chances of getting cancer with cigarette smoking are 107 times higher. shisha smoking in fact has not been proven to cause any cancers as the few people who are said to have got cancer were also demonstrated to have smoked cigarettes at the time of the cancer or previously.

Shisha has been proven not to harm our health.

i completely agree with the person above, i am actually looking at the jar of hookah i own and it says that it has 0.5% nicotine and 0% tar, hard to believe it is anything at all like cigarettes, people need to revise this section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.226.193 (talk) 22:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

because it fails to cite sources and contradicts the rest of the article. 70.162.14.102 22:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Shisha harm, history et al is covered in the detailed World Health Organisation document by the WHO Study Group on Tobacco Product Regulation: http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_interaction/tobreg/Waterpipe%20recommendation_Final.pdf

Hello, I found this article that describes the dangers of smoking hookah: http://www.livescience.com/health/070531_hookah_risks.html As I don't know how I should edit the article, I'm posting it here. Ericius 18:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The Health Concerns section of this article is lacking in factual details. The studies cited are not backed up with scientific data. If we can back up this section with factual data, it needs to be reworded in an unbiased manner or possibly made into 2 sections? Specifically the first paragraph and citation 15,16,17 need to go.Four Q (talk) 06:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Hookah is *NOT* as dangerous as cigarettes (when done properly). The issue is not one of filtering, it's an issue of how the hookah tobacco is cooked. Done correctly, hookah does not burn at all. In fact, if it DOES burn, it tastes harsh and ashy, and the session generally pauses until it's resolved. Ideally, you are baking or vaporizing the tobacco, thereby minimizing the release of carcinogens (which only occur during combustion). I'm not saying it's good for you; clearly, that amount of nicotine can and will lead to dependency if regularly consumed. But to suggest that hookah is 100 times worse than cigarettes because you are puffing so much more is completely ignorant of the hookah smoking process (I'm speaking here of ma'sal and the typical shishas seen in the West, as opposed to jurak and tombeik). -goldenbloo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.22.140 (talk) 22:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


From an article by the MAYO CLINIC, "Hookah smoke contains high levels of toxic compounds, including tar, carbon monoxide, heavy metals and cancer-causing chemicals (carcinogens). In fact, hookah smokers are exposed to more carbon monoxide and smoke than are cigarette smokers." http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hookah/AN01265 It is definitly worse for you then smoking cigarettes. Those who think it's healtier don't understand how hookah's work.167.155.144.8 (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Under Bowls is the Sahara Smoke Vortex bowl really important ? I think Vortex bowl would suffice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.80.57 (talk) 03:04, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Removed original research/substandard content (Brazil)

I'm leaving the following text here until someone is able to clean it up & reference it adequately:
===Brazil===

Consuption of Hookah in Brazil started when Arab and European imigrants started to arive, however, it spread when a soap opera called "O Clone" was airing back in 2002. It gained more popularity in late 2000s among young adults. According to studies, people around 13 and 24 years are the ones that use hookah at most. Around 300.0000 people uses hookah frequently.<ref>[http://globotv.globo.com/rede-globo/bom-dia-brasil/v/uso-do-narguile-no-brasil-preocupa-especialistas/2119814/ "O Uso de Arguile Preucupa Especialistas"]</ref> Hookah bars and shops started to spread around the country, but the use of tobacco and smoke is limited to outdoor areas, since smoking is prohibited indoors with exeption of tobacco shops.

Although a ban was tried by the Brazilian National Health Surveillance Agency, it was overruled since it is a cultural rite.

--Technopat (talk) 23:24, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

East Africa esp Ethiopia and other Muslim regions

I think this article could do with some deeper research. I mean South Africa pales in comparison to Ethiopia. Where it was almost all Muslim and then cross-cultured to everyone else. You get large areas in almost every Muslim restaurants smoking this stuff. It is called Shisha there. Somalia and Eritrea are no different. Not sure about Sudan but hard to see it in Egypt but not Sudan. --Inayity (talk) 05:08, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

origin?

Citation needed for the claim that hookahs started in India -- Alfred Dunhill claims they started in Persia, stimulated by the marijuana trade with East Africa.

Yes, different sources have different claims, ranging from Africa to India and even China! However the basic form is most widely accepted to have its origins in India. It later sperad to present day Iran and the rest is history. There are two citations given in the article at the end of the statement. Please remember to sign your posts the next time you use a talk page.  S3000  ☎ 12:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I believe that its only in the west that they want to state that it came from India and of course if your going to use a source from the west it will tell you that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.248.43 (talk) 11:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


I agree, that the evidence clearly points to ancient Persia as the origin of the Hookah. The article has now included that Ali Shirazi (d. 1535), a Persian poet, refers to the use of the ḡalyān (Falsafī, II, p. 277; Semsār, 1963, p. 15), thus dating its use at least as early as the time of the Shah Ṭahmāsp I. It seems, therefore, that Abu’l-Fath Gilani should be credited with the introduction of the ḡalyān, already in use in Persia, into India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.154.56.136 (talk) 23:36, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Added blood levels comparing CEA's for cigarette smoking , non-smokers and Hookah smokers

This information is included in the source article which is referenced for CEA levels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.154.56.136 (talk) 23:31, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The citation [30] or [31] is a little outdated. Stating it is from 1902.. having more up to date sources would bring a lot more knowledge to the topic especially if studies show statistics in hookah smoking have changed, it would also bring awareness. Espinoc226 (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Origins

These points should be noted.

  • 1) The official language of both the Safavid and Mughal Empires was Persian (Farsi). Therefore Farsi must be displayed. Also, neither used Devangari script, so it is irrelevant.
  • 2) Abul Fath Gilani (alleged inventor, also known as Irfan Shaikh) was an Iranian, as this is supported by Encyclopedia Iranica [1] and other sources and that the Safavid origin theory is a stronger theory.

Please read from Encyclopedia Iranica [[2]], "The exact date of the first use of ḡalyān in Persia is not known. According to Cyril Elgood (pp. 41, 110), who does not mention his source, it was Abu’l-Fatḥ Gīlānī (d. 1588), a Persian physician at the court of the Mughal emperor Akbar I, who “first passed the smoke of tobacco through a small bowl of water to purify and cool the smoke and thus invented the hubble-bubble or hookah.” However, a quatrain of Ahlī Šīrāzī (d. 942/1535) refers to the use of the ḡalyān (Falsafī, II, p. 277; Semsār, 1963, p. 15), thus dating its use at least as early as the time of Ṭahmāsp I (930-84/1524-76). It seems, therfore, that Abu’l-Fatḥ Gīlānī should be credited with the introduction of the ḡalyān, already in use in Persia, to India."

Thanks. Hazratleri (talk) 00:12, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Hazratleri, you are favouring one outdated source over several reliable sources which state the hookah was invented in India. Also, hookah is a Hindi-Urdu/Hindustani word and that's how it entered the English lexicon so there's no valid reason to remove that language. Galyan is not an English word and so it should not be mentioned in the lede. Rzvas (talk) 01:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
None of your statements were relevant to my points or to my most recent edit. My recent edit is exactly as the references say. Hazratleri (talk) 03:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Really none? You've removed reliable sources, such as those by BBC, from the article. That source clearly states: "Many believe that it originated in India (known there as "hookah") about a thousand years ago, when more often the shisha pipe was used to smoke opium rather than tobacco." Another source published by the "Council of Scientific & Industrial Research" clearly says "The smoking of hookah and hubble-bubble started in India during the reign of the great Moghul emperor, Akbar." You've removed other sources, such as the statement that said: "In the Indian city of Fatehpur Sikri, Roman Catholic missionaries of the Society of Jesus arriving from the southern part of the country, introduced tobacco to the Mughal emperor Akbar the Great (1542-1605 AD). Cyril Elgood (pp. 41, 110) writes that the physician of Akbar, Irfan Shaikh, then invented the hookah in India." You are not at situation to remove information because WP:YOUDONTLIKEIT. The article already mentioned the theory that the Hookah may have come from Iran. Regardless, the word "Hookah" is Hindustani, the official language of administration of British India and one that is written in two scripts. That word entered the English lexicon from Hindustani/Hindi-Urdu and you are therefore not permitted to remove it. If placing Iran before India in the lede is totally wrong, I should remind you that Wikipedia is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND. Raymond3023 (talk) 05:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I agree with the comments by both User:Rzvas and User:Raymond3023. The scripts are based on the etymology of the word and hookah is an Hindi-Urdu (Hindustani) word, which was loaned into English during the British Raj. I have added a reference buttressing this fact into the article. Even though it is unnecessary, as there is an entire section dedicated to names of the hookah in other languages besides English, I could WP:COMPROMISE with User:Hazratleri and add "Galyan (Persian: قلیان)" in the introduction, after the word Hookah, if he promises not to continue edit warring over scripts. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 06:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The academic references are clear that both theories indicate an Iranian origin. The facts support the pre-March 9th edit. posting a random BBC article does not take away from the sourced and academic references which indicate a Persian origin. Also as previously mentioned. Farsi was the language of both the Safavid and Mughal Empires, so it has to take precedence. Soulsublime (talk) 06:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Facts are facts. It is incredible that anyone would blatantly lie and state a random and ambiguous BBC article which gives no reference and no date has any relevance, nor is it relevant to my point. Hazratleri (talk) 06:31, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Fact is Persian origin for both statements. Encyclopedia Iranica is a real source, unlike ambiguous nonsense. One can not deny the Persian origins of it. It must be noted and the language is Farsi, not a random Devangari script which has no relevance. Hazratleri (talk) 06:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Before your edit warring, the article contained a total of seven sources demonstrating that the Hookah originated in India (see this version before your revert). No one is denying that others speculate that the Hookah originated in Iran but both sides of the story need to be presented here. Given that Hookah is a Hindi-Urdu word, not a Persian one, the scripts for the former language should be presented in the lede. Please self-revert. Thanks, AnupamTalk 07:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I have checked the academic references and they all prove my point. Abul Fath Gilani was a Persian (the location given was the Mughal Empire) and the stronger theory is that of a Safavid origin. No reason to play mind games and vandalize, which you are evidently doing. Hazratleri (talk) 07:18, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
user:LouisAragon, user:Farawahar, user:Shahin.shn, user:HistoryofIran. Requesting insight into this topic from other active users. The most recent edit disturbs me, as it it is outright lie that states the hookah was invented in Fathehpur Sikri. As I have stated, it's origins are Iranian, and all of the Mughal sources indicate Abul Fath Gilani as the inventor, which is being removed my the Indian-prone editors, see [3]. The edit before March 9th is clearly accurate from the point of view of the sources, see[4]. Hazratleri (talk) 04:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I’ve seen a ping notification, so i’m here. But i must confess that i have only a little perspective about this topic. However, When i read what is above, i would say that the BBC article is unreliable (is it written by an academic in the field of history ?) while Encyclopædia Iranica is clearly reliable. Iranica seems to suggest that this was invented by a Persian inventor who lived in the Mughal empire, so what is the problem ? It’s maybe possible to write exactly what the source states, something like « invented by a Persian at the Mughal court », no ?—>Farawahar (talk) 10:58, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi User:Farawahar and welcome to the discussion! There is no issue with mentioning the Persian inventor in the article. The problem occurred when User:Hazratleri removed a series of several sources from the article, all of which had a quote parameter. I went ahead and added the requested information in. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 16:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
@Anupam: Hi, i will check all the sources and the subsequent claims when i’ll have a little time. If both the Persian and Indian claims are legit (ie sourced), this is perfectly normal to keep both of them but if one of the two claims is not sourced, it should be removed. I already removed one source cited twice. I will check the other sources and their reliability (we need sources by historians). Best regards.—>Farawahar (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

The claims are well sourced, with quantity of sources stating facts that the Hookah was invented in Fattehpore Sikri, India by a physician of Akbar [5] (see at least nine references on that point). Hazratleri was setting up a straw man by saying only one BBC source said this, while removing all the rest. Anupam has been more than generous to work with him and even added the Persian word for the device, despite the fact that the word originates from Hindi-Urdu, and also mentioned Akbar's physician. If you look at the version by Hazratleri, he duplicates a paragraph that was already there, falsely claiming that it was removed [6]. In reality, he just duplicated it and then WP:CANVASSED a slew of editors who he thought might want to edit war with him, and his likely sockpuppets (see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hazratleri and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#WP:NOTHERE_sock). The version of the article as it stands now is well sourced and represents reliable sources. Raymond3023 (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

 « The claims are well sourced, with quantity of sources stating facts that the Hookah was invented in Fattehpore Sikri, India by a physician of Akbar « 
Easy man, calm down, and stay cool, i have not said that any claims or sources are unreliables, i just said that i’m going to check the article when i’ll have a little time.
 »Anupam has been more than generous to work with him and even added the Persian word for the device, despite the fact that the word originates from Hindi-Urdu, and also mentioned Akbar's physician. »
This is an Encyclopedia which can be edited by anyone, so we are supposed to work together and take the time for this work. Again, take it easy and stay cool.—>Farawahar (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Note that Hazratleri is currently blocked for 48 hours for his disruptive editing. We are staying cool, only Hazratleri is turning consensus-based editing into ethnic feud. Raymond3023 (talk) 04:40, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Everyone named in the SPI has been blocked. --NeilN talk to me 11:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I checked the sources in the article :
source number 10 :
https://archive.org/stream/citiesofindia00forruoft
Sir George Forrest, undoubtedly reliable. He was a historian, born in India.
source number 11 :
https://archive.org/stream/romanticcastles00sing
Esther Singleton, not reliable, i have not found any skill of historian for this woman and more, the sentence in her book is a copy-paste of Sir George Forrest’s one.
source number 12 :
https://archive.org/stream/indiaitsnativepr00rousuoft
Louis Rousselet, unreliable, not a historian, he is mainly a photographer but also a traveller, author and archaeologist. Anyway, i have not seen any mention of hookah page 290 of his book.
source number 13 :
https://archive.org/stream/modernindia003191mbp
William Eleroy Curtis, Pan-American movement of the USA, he is a lobbyist and bureaucrat, not a historian, therefore, not reliable here.
source number 14 :
https://archive.org/stream/calcuttapastpres00blec
Kathleen Blechynden, looks like a book describing Calcutta with no historical claims, unreliable. I have not found any historical skills about her.
source number 15 :
https://books.google.fr/books?id=k3IooL36XmgC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr#v=onepage&q&f=false
Seems to be ok, his book deals with the history of tobacco.
source number 16: not reliable, off topic, not a historical work at all.
source number 18:
https://books.google.fr/books?id=vMfEyKvR59sC&pg=PA10&dq=Charlemagne%27s+Tablecloth+hookahs&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Nichola Fletcher, said to live in Scottland and France, to be multiskilled and to have some historical knowledge, should be ok but not a great source for this topic.
source number 19 :
https://books.google.fr/books?id=DMvfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA214&redir_esc=y
Robert Machray, Anglican bishop and missionary, unreliable here.
source number 20 :
https://books.google.fr/books?id=HvIRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA372&dq=origin+of+hookah&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=origin%20of%20hookah&f=false
Harmsworth brothers, British newspaper proprietors, can be reliable if their newspaper is written by authors with historical skills.
If what i said seems ok for other contributors, i can remove the unreliables sources of the article.—>Farawahar (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I appreciate your assessment of the sources. However, I disagree that these historical sources, which corroborate the statements of historians with respect to the origin of the Hookah, should be removed. For example, the text written by archaeologist Louis Rousselet is attributed to that author in the article and therefore, can be used. With respect to Calcutta, Past and Present, The Telegraph says of her: "Blechynden covered the history of Calcutta from the days of Job Charnock and later Hastings, followed up by vivid descriptions of the social life and streets and houses of the colonial city". It would thus be appropriate to have her discuss the Hookah and its origin in India, in light of her historical work. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 20:54, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Fine, if you want to keep the Blechynden source, this is ok for me (even if in the Telegraph article, her aims are not really related to history), but what about the others ? Rousselet page 290 : no mention of hookah and Rousselet is not a historian. Singleton : unreliable, Machray : unreliable, « wealth of India » : off topic, Eleroy Curtis : unreliable. This makes me wonder why you guys want to keep these unreliables sources ? prove a point ?—>Farawahar (talk) 22:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi again User:Farawahar, I noticed a little hostility at the end of your previous comment so I'm gong to remind you to be WP:CIVIL and work here collaboratively, rather than viewing this as a WP:BATTLEGROUND, especially since you were WP:CANVASSED here by a now blocked user. With respect to the Louis Rousselet, who is an archaeologist and therefore a reliable authority, the relevant quote can be found on page 290 of the work titled India and Its Native Princes (published by Scribner, Armstrong, and Co.), which states "The chronicler Aboul Fazel says that at certain hours the people were admitted into this court. After the council the emperor repaired to the Dewani-Am, where, after having put on his robes of state, he seated himself on a tribune overlooking the court. Here he remained for some time, inquiring into and redressing the grievances of the people, and receiving the strangers who flocked to his court. According to tradition, it was here that he received the Jesuits of Goa, who brought him the leaves and seeds of tobacco; and it was at Futtehpore that Hakim Aboul Futteh Ghilani, one of Akbar's physicians, is supposed to have invented the hookah, the pipe of India." If you do not own a copy of the book, you are welcome to borrow it at your local library. In light of this information, that source will stay in the article. With respect to Esther Singleton, the Shakespeare Oxford Fellowship describes her as follows: "Esther Singleton (1865-1930), was a prolific American author and journalist. Her dozens of books included topics such as furniture, European cities, and The Shakespeare Garden." Since she was a prolific journalist, I am unsure of why you wish to remove that text. If you desire to remove the source by William Eleroy Curtis, I have no objection, in light of your comment posted above, although it still corroborates the information present in the other reliable sources. With respect to the text titled The Wealth of India, the source is reliable as it is published by the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, which is an authority that can speak on the invention of the hookah. That being said, if you really want to remove it, you can do so, since we already have several other sources attesting to the veracity of the Hookah's origin in India. I also have no objection to you removing what is now source 18 or source 19, from Cassell's Magazine. If you disagree with my assessment, you are welcome to wait and see if other users offer their perspectives. I hope this helps, AnupamTalk 23:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
By the way, User:Farawahar, in your previous comment, you mention that Rousselet makes "no mention of [the] hookah" but it seems that you neglected to actually search your own link that you provided. You will find the same paragraph on page 303 of your online version of his book. Remember that books are often published in different editions, sometimes by different publishers so page numbers can vary. Cheers, AnupamTalk 23:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
Farawar, Rousselet is an archaeologist with an expertise in India. Why should he not be retained? The Council of Scientific and Industrial Research does exactly what the name suggests--research. WP:IDONTLIKEIT or finding non-existing loopholes is not helping anyone. Bring some reliable sources for your information. Otherwise just adhere to the established consensus. Raymond3023 (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Mu'assel article

The Mu'assel article seems to consist almost entirely of excerpts from this article but with a differing introduction. I think something should be done about this either a merger or have Mu'assel simply redirect here. Eopsid (talk) 13:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Hookah names

Are you sure is Hookah a generic and international name for it? I have been travelling in several places (some 300 journeys in 55 countries of the world), been living in three continents and 15 visits to Turkey for instance; I never heard the word Hookah; I heard Nargile, Shisha, Cachimba or WaterPipe instead. --AlexanderFreud (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

I wonder who is pushing SA

SA just got into this thing. Everywhere you go on Wikipedia you see SA as the only African country mentioned. What about Ethiopia? Who been using it longer? And when you check it is the Somali and others that made it popular in South Africa among non-Indians. --169.0.56.107 (talk) 15:36, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

200 - 300 cigarettes

Could someone please reference me to the following study (Stated in article): "One study found that a session of hookah smoking which lasts about 45 minutes is similar in nicotine tar and carbon monoxide intake from 200-300 cigarettes."

I've been searching for such and haven't found any research claiming 45min*hookah ~ |200-300|*cigarettes. Also, I have been conducting my very own research for many years... which, uhh, involved way more than just 45 minutes of smoking hookah :)...

Consider the following: Between 2003 and 2006, almost every weekend (Thursday, Friday and Saturday) I have been smoking approx 2-3 hours per day. This excludes all other smoking during the rest of the week,

The research mentioned above suggests that I have consumed at least 600 cigarettes per weekend. Most surveys and researches I've found, using Google, state that average cigarette smokers smoke approx 100-120 cigarettes in a week.

Even if such a research was conducted, I find the conclusion exaggerated. I think I should have had several nicotine poisoning cases by now. 

    I agree, that statement seems pretty absurd - Circler
I also agree but you also have to remember that hookah consists of inhaling more smoke than cigarrete smokers because hookah is designed to be smoked during a long period of time where as cigarettes are made to be smoked in a short period of time.. So, depending on how big your "hits" are, it may very well be 200-300 cigarettes. http://www.arabianbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13538&Itemid=1Helloallen (talk) 21:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

The statement about 200 to 300 cigarettes is misleading and only true in terms of volume but takes no account of the compounds present in the aerosol. The original source is from a 2004 study from A. Shihadeh titled Towards a topographical model of narghile water-pipe cafe ́ smoking: a pilot study in a high socioeconomic status neighborhood of Beirut, Lebanon. This study i believe is only a visual observation of users. The 200 to 300 claim was then re stated in 2005 by the WHO in a report titled Waterpipe Tobacco Smoking: Health Effects, Research Needs and Recommendations by Regulators”. World Health Organisation Study Group on Tobacco Product Regulation (WHO TobReg). 2005.CaseyJones121974 (talk) 09:57, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Just to be clear i believe that the 2 reports i mention above always specifically referred to volume but subsequent reporting in the media may have omitted the volume part. Also, its worth considering that a direct comparison is not helpful as on average a waterpipe smoker may only use a waterpipe a few times a month.CaseyJones121974 (talk) 10:07, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Hindustani: Devanagari vs Nastaleeq scripts

I accepted an anonymous editor's reversing the order of the Devanagari and Nastaleeq renderings of Hookah, as it did not seem like obvious vandalism, but would be unsurprised if I were to learn it constitutes a form of nationalistic WP:POV, or if it goes against a consensus such as at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic). Let me know if it becomes an edit war. Edit in question: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Hookah&diff=1031018561&oldid=1029531703 --Anon423 (talk) 11:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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