Talk:Half-Breed (song)

Germany

The article states that the song did not chart in Germany, yet there is a charting for Germany in the table. Could someone please reference this charting and remove the mention in the text, or remove the charting? Thanks, Abrazame (talk) 00:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Native perspective is evident in who wrote it, as well as misinformation in content

@Pernoctus: Threatening to edit war (see edit summary) is really not a good approach here. The song lyrics are full of misinformation precisely because they were written by people who knew nothing about Cherokee people. I've changed the white lens stuff to "non-Native", as that's the real issue. This is clear in who wrote it, as well as the documented errors. It's really not controversial at this point. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 21:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned in my response to your comment on my Talk page, I mentioned an edit war simply to indicate that I would not tolerate simple reversions of my changes.

As someone who is 1/16 Cherokee, I am well aware that this is not a factually accurate depiction. It is one thing to make factual corrections, such as mentioning the matrilineal aspect. But it is another to make censorious, borderline "Woke" criticisms. That is (or should be) controversial at any point.

I agree with the change to non-Native.

What is your view about capitalizing "White"? I do feel strongly that it should be consistent, one way or the other. Since the prevailing style seems to be to capitalize in these instances ("Black", "Asian"), I feel that White should be capitalized, also. Pernoctus (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The various Manuals of Style lean towards capitalizing Black as an ethnicity more than white, not as an indication of importance, but because African diasporic communities have formed an ethnic identity around "Black" that, it is argued, has a type of cultural unity that doesn't usually exist in the same way for white people. White supremacists capitalize "White" when referring to ethnicity, which is why I personally avoid it. It's usually a dog whistle (politics). WP:MOS/WP:RACECAPS is not completely clear, and has been left open to a bit of interpretation.

However, the important point here is that it is a non-Native perspective. This is usually defaulted to being called "white lens" when it's white people making, say, a film or TV show. But the errors can be made by anyone who's not from the specific Native culture (in this case, Cherokee). - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:49, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Songwriters

Is there a reason that the songwriters' names are omitted from the body of the article? I'm not sure I've ever seen that on a song page here before. Since the article criticizes them for their ignorance of the subject matter, omitting their names seems sort of self-defeating. (And they did write a number one song, after all.)Ajericn (talk) 11:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling Stone article

In a Sept. 1, 2024 article in Rolling Stone magazine, journalist David Browne explains that Cher no longer performs this song, and provides some possible reasons why. Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/offensive-songs-cher-rolling-stones-censorship-1235087496/ 98.123.38.211 (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]