Talk:Guatemalan genocide

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Many problems

This article has more issues than characters. Very few points just for the time being:

no section on the debate over the classification as genocide: even if this view is predominant, there should be a resume on the public debate throughout the years;
the intro does not make immediately evident the temporal range of the events described: it doesn't even mention the Guatemalan Civil War! "Under Ríos Montt" is a proper temporal qualifier for a reader not expert in Guatemalan history?
Wikilinks, wikilinks, wikilinks! The article looks like a book excerpt, without bothering to help the uninformed reader with links to other Wikipedia articles.

-- 154.56.200.51 (talk) 17:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the previous opinion. While there is no denying the deaths and human rights violations during the conflict, the article is seriously biased and presents a number of falsehoods which do not serve anyone trying to understand the Civil War. It is colored to fit a particular political view and narrative. It lacks formality and equanimity. For example: "the Guatemalan military viewed the Maya – traditionally seen as subhumans – as siding with the insurgency and began a campaign of mass killings and disappearances of Mayan peasants." "Traditionally seen as subhumans" is a false and narrative-inclined phrase. 95% of the Guatemalan Army recruits were Mayans. If you remove the phrase in question, and change "viewed the Maya" to "viewed many of the Maya", the sentence suddenly gains clarity and approaches much more closely the truth of the situation. 2803:D100:E080:1A78:40DA:6497:1569:B7DB (talk) 00:08, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Cause of civil war: anti-communism" What a joke. That is, anyone who questions the predominance of American colonial capitalism is a "communist." The Maya were massacred to clear the land for industrial farming. period, end of story. United Fruit, er, Chiquita. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pliny37 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This was during the Cold War, Pliny. Communism was seen as a huge threat in many budding Latin-American nations, and the US government has confirmed its funding and involvement in the war. What is the point of pushing a false narrative? Despressso (talk) 07:40, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"91% of victims were killed in 1978 through 1984, 81% in 1981 through 1983, with 48% of deaths occurring in 1982 alone."

For a grand total of 220% Mikeburns (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ever heard of dates overlapping...? 1978-1984 includes 1981-1983 AND they both include 1982. Despressso (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign involvement?

What about including a section on foreign influence in the support of massacres? The US clearly was involved in training, and there is information in the Salvatore Luria article about Israeli-trained (and even led?) units (that Luria noted in a letter to Elie Wiesel). Jed (talk) 14:13, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Found a Salon [article] that describes what you are talking about. If someone could add something related to this it would be greatly appreciated. Despressso (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes against humanity category removal

Crimes against humanity is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]