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Former professional hockey player

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Mueller is listed on that database as a hockey player playing out of Germany *http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=36178 ending in 1999

the requirement is verifiability, not truth see WP:V, there are many source that state he was a former professional hockey player.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 13:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, anybody can print a bio sheet and call themselves a former professional whatever. These rags you use for reference use poker players as writers, not journalists. They don't even know how to write let alone utilize any journalistic integrity like verifying information that the subject of an article gives them. I am so tired of people in this world being able to say they previously did "whatever" before their 15 minutes of fame, and society is so numbed by the fact that maybe they could be next that they believe anything these people say. For you to continue to perpetrate this clearly fraudulent statement is laughable. I read in a newspaper the other day that Brittany Spears is pregnant with martian twins. According to your burden of proof, I can add that to her bio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimbas1 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You could write that in her bio if it came from a reliable source a tabloid however isn't reliable, and where you are setting up is clearly a straw man argument acting as that was my position. what this article uses as a source come from his bio sheet from many multimillion dollar companies and not fan sites. This is his WPT profile from the World Poker Tour's Official site which states that "Mueller was a professional hockey player in Germanay." his profile on on Full Tilt Poker states that "he retired from his professional hockey career in 1999." he is listed as Gregor Mueller in this update from the Aussie millions. this Interview from pokerwire official youtube page coving the Aussie Millions induces him as a "professional hockey player", the hockeydb.com list a Gregor Mueller that played on a DEL league out of Germany until 1999. on a worldseriesofpoker.com update, states "Seat 1 Greg "FBT" Mueller Greg Mueller, a former professional hockey player, has made three WSOP final tables in his career." these sources are NOT some homebrew personal websites, the information they are giving are either true or what they believe to be true and can be verified by the links given above. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 18:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can appreciate your points. But you obviously do not know how the WPT, the WSOP, Bluff Magazine, etc. get their bio information. I have played in many of these events, and they all are the same. Every player is asked to fill out a Bio page when they either register, or check-in for an event. The page asks very basic, standard questions about the player, his background, and his interests. The information is given to the TV personalities like Mike Sexton, Norman Chad, or Lon McEachern and they use it in their broadcasts. It is rarely, if ever verified, unless the player is a perenial winner and in the spotlight with regularity. FBT is far from a perenial winner or in the spotlight with regularity, so it's pretty safe to say that he could have put anything down for his career before becoming a professional poker player and chances are better than 9 to 1 that nobody would take steps to verify it. Like I said before, I have spent many hours on this. The team photos of the teams that Gregor Mueller played on do not have a 6'5 guy that looks like FBT in them. The birthdates do not match, what more do you need to realize that this guy is trying very hard to have been somebody he was not. Dig a little more instead of taking another professional poker player's word for it who wrote an article about the man and never bothered to check out what he said; or a bio that this guy wrote about himself and gave it to these entities, and they never bothered to check it out. If I read it in Newsweek, or Sports Illustrated, I'd be more inclined to believe it. But from my research, and knowing how the poker world collects it's information on it's "15 minutes of fame" players, I have no doubt that this is not a former professional hockey player on any level like he claims to have been. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wimbas1 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand what you are saying but I'm sorry, I really think you need to take your research to Cardplayer, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Full Tilt Poker etc and if they verify your claims and publish them, we then could use your information in those published results, however Wikipedia isn't the place for original research (see WP:OR), it cannot be written that there is evidence to the contrary, because there is nothing you have offered have been published by a reliable source which isn't to say that I'm calling you a liar, remember what is written in Wikipedia is information that can be verified, which isn't the same as saying it is true. you say ESPN, the WPT etc, failed to take steps to verify information provided to them, but how are we suppose to know if they did in fact failed because an anon editor be it you, me or whoever said so? to put it another way you are putting the cart in front of the horse Wikipedia isn't a way to publish research but rather a way to use researched information to be used as a citation that had already been published by a reliable source. ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 22:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on his record from the hockeydb, I looked at the German Wikipedia. I found a mention of Greg (Gregor) Müller in articles about 2 hockey teams [1] [2]. I don't know if this is the same person or whether these teams are truly professional. I can't read German so I don't really know what the articles have to say. DCEdwards1966 20:28, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Definatley him, I remember they documented it on WSOP on Challenge in the UK, and he mentioned he could speak German through his family and then playing hockey there for nine years made him fluent. So anything relating to Greg (Gregor) Mueller playing hockey in Germany would relate to this very Greg Mueller. Raphie (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey cats?

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Does anyone think it would be a good idea to add hockey related categories on this page? Raphie (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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