Talk:Gorges family

Armourials of Gorges

I removed the double image ("File:Coat of arms double.jpg") and ("File:Coat of arms double 2.jpg") originally posted here because the second image is I believe incorrect - it had the tinctures(colours) the wrong way around. The background should be white, not blue; the gurges should be blue, not white. The concentric rings were I think used as well as the true spiral, but an image of the concentric rings is needed with the correct colours. Also, it would be better to find an image of the spiral gurges in a mediaeval triangular shaped shield to replace the Tudor (i.e.16th. c.) shaped shield which is technically anachronistic, as the arms were pre 1392. I am working on obtaining such.(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC))

Image of arms in Tudor shield "File:FirstArmsOfGorges.jpg" replaced with arms in mediaeval shield "GorgesArmsMediaevalShield,jpg"(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC))

Thanks for your work

I would like to thank you very much.

I am very glad someone did it so well, I'm owner of the book The Story of a Family through Eleven Centuries and I have also personal interest on this page. --Bironet (talk) 17:03, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No, it is I who should be thanking you for having the good idea to start the page. I have long been researching the Russell and Denys families, for whom Gorges were such significant ancestors. I think there is still more clarification needed re the early history, which I believe is contained in your book, which I have only seen parts of. Is it very rare? I will try to obtain a copy. The Victoria County History has been an excellent source. The arms of Gorges are shown quartered on the Denys Brass (1506) at Olveston, Gloucestershire, and on the exterior of Siston Court (c.1550) which aspects I intend to add to this article in due course. Many thanks for your approval. (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC))

I really appreciate your approbation and I hope it helped you in some way. If we're talking about book ofcourse because of your focus I will send you parts which I can find further. I think it is very rare and I deduce this from just few prints and no chance to buy it. I'm very sorry I haven't it by me now- it is in library of next family part, but I will bring it and study very soon. I am Görges and somewhere written Gorges- family tree prabably lead to sir Wiliam Gorges ( son of Edmund Gorges and Anne Howard) and śome descendants in 17th century went to Germany. There something happened becouse of ureasonable changes o-ö ( I guess it could be just mistake). today I'm living in CZ and I would like to prove it by some informations, not just by family tree made by civil statuses. --Bironet (talk) 19:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I am pleased to say I have found a copy of the book by Raymond Gorges at Somerset Archives in Taunton. It is a very impressive book. It must indeed be very rare as it is not displayed on the shelves. I will therefore be adding more detail to the article from the book which I hope will meet with your approval. My own area of greatest interest is in pages 1-44, the early history of the family. Am interested to hear you are a Gorges yourself, I hope you will persevere and clarify your section of the family tree, finding the last few missing links I suspect will be the hardest part! Regards (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC))

Hello, I have to inform you that now I have my book and I have also found the possible explanation of change ( o- ö). Sir William ( I have been writing about) was living in court ( herritage of family Budockshed) and the coat of arms of vilage and court includes st. George. Becase of many other findings I belive there was a mistake or some simplification of writing ( Gorges + George = in german background ,, Görges"). I will give on the page many pictures from my book cause now I can. If you want to know sth. from the original one, please tell me I'll send you everything you want. Have a nice day! --Bironet (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. From Raymond Gorges' book I have made an error in my account of the change of armourials from gurges to lozengy. I was relying on Burkes Armorials 1884 which I think is in error. If you want to re-edit, go ahead else I will do so when I have fully read pp.1-44 of the book, which I had to photograph by camera, so I have only poor, but adequate copies. If I can't read it easily, I will take up your kind offer to send me copies. Best wishes. p.s. I will copy all of this discussion from my user talk page to the article's talk page, so please reply here, for the benefit of future editors. Talk:Gorges family(Lobsterthermidor (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2010 (UTC))