Talk:Ghost Machine (Torchwood)

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Video Game

Does anyone recognise the game Owen's playing in this episode? It looked to me like a 16-bit era game, from the Mega Drive or, more likely, the Amiga/ST. Or something newer that just looks like one of those games. It looked a little bit like SWIV, but I don't think it was. Kelvingreen 22:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Two halves of the device

The main page currently says that the device would show the past if one half was used, but the future if both were used. I rather saw it as one half only showing the past and the other only showing the future, as that seems more logical. Thoughts? Kelvingreen 23:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was what I thought too. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 00:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bernie, Burnie or Burny?

I've been using Burnie, as its a blend of the word "burn" and the nickname/name "Bernie". Which is what the dialouge implied to me, I also understand the use of Burny for that reason. However it looks as though the credits list him as Bernie, even though he isn't called Bernard and his name comes from he arsonist days... so which should we use? I think we should stick with Bernie as that is what appears in the credits even though it makes the least sense logically. --GracieLizzie 13:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Following the credits seems the best route. And it's "Lizzie Lewis", accordingly. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also appears this way (Bernie, that is) on the Torchwood tie-in site. --81.155.71.207 16:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Metric?

I seem to recall that in the initial chase scene, someone spoke to Gwen and gave a distance in meters. Isn't that against Torchwood policy? (Worth a note in the trivia list?) --Billpg 21:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, Toshiko does use meters. It may be worth a note. Of course it is possible that policy has changed since the Battle of Canary Wharf or that it was for Gwen's benifit. --GracieLizzie 22:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it against Torchwood policy? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's to do with Torchwood's nationalist ethos. They may be less nationlistic now though but I could be wrong. --GracieLizzie 22:23, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify: in the Doctor Who episode "Army of Ghosts", Yvonne Hartman said that Torchwood used only Imperial measurements. Chances are it's just a goof. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's important not to read to much into it. I think it's clear the Cardiff and London Torchwoods are too different outfits. Plus considering the London one's attitude nearly doomed Earth, I'd imagine that the other branches were probably specifically told to be more open minded.--HellCat86 00:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if just a goof, it's still worth mentioning in the trivia section. After all, the Army of Ghosts article mentions a similar goof regarding Yvonne's use of gigawatts. --GracieLizzie 00:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

In an interview on the official Torchwood website, producer Richard Stokes mentions that as originally written, Jack was on foot with Owen and Gwen in the opening chase scene, but after John Barrowman twisted his ankle in the Hub set the scene had to be rewritten with Jack in the Range Rover and Owen and Gwen on foot. I think this might be an interesting production detail, but I can't cite it properly, because I can't access the interview on the website myself (since I'm outside of the UK). (I managed to see the interview through legally dubious means.) Can someone in the UK find a way to cite the interview with {{cite interview}} or {{cite web}}? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strictly Come Dancing

When Gwen and Owen go to talk to the older "Thomas Erasmus Flanagan", doesn't the daughter say that they couldn't have been at the station because they were watching Strictly Come Dancing? Specifically the final in which Natasha Kaplinsky won (the newsreader with "legs up to here" )? If I'm correct, that would peg the start of this episode to 2004-07-03. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 11:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC).[reply]

No. Everything you wrote there is correct, except identifying the individual. Every piece of evidence from this episode and others places Ghost Machine in 2007, so evidence as of today - 18/10/2007 - suggests the individual [the 'winner'?] is Gabby Logan, a sports presenter (the closest to 'newsreader' I could find after a quick look at the Strictly Come Dancing homepage, as I don't myself watch the programme]) [User: Stripey].

The person who owned the machine, coins and rocks before Bernie

Do we know who he was? Was it stated or implied in the episode? Did he appear in a later episode? Is this relevant at all, or just a plot hole? If people do know anything about him, we ought to include it in the article, for people like me who were confused by this. Please? RobbieG 16:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the last note under Continuity. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the "crazy old man" could be Bilis Manger? (This is purely speculation) 86.131.7.42 19:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music during bar scene

According to the article and tv.com, the song playing during Toshiko and Owen's talk is by Travis. However I distinctly heard the song Feeling A Moment by Feeder. The lyrics 'feeling a moment slip away' can be heard right before a cut to Bernie's apartment. Can somone confirm this? 60.242.31.143 14:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Continuity error?

I'm just wondering if it is a continuity error to have the "ghosts" in the episode yet in the pilot the dead man they bring back says that there is nothing after death. I'm not sure that it's necessarily an error, but is it ever addressed and would it be worth mentioning if it was addressed? Phydend 04:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]