Talk:Genius of Modern Music, Vols. One & Two

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Confusing and Misleading

First of all, there have been several Monk albums called "Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 1." There is an earlier CD with an entirely different lineup of songs. There is also a CD called "Complete Genius of Modern Music" which collects all of volumes 1 & 2 of the earlier CDs. Though the current CD seems to use artwork from an old LP, the track selections do not remotely match up. So calling it an "expansion" or "reissue" seems like a misnomer.

Secondly, it is unlikely that the original volume 1 was released in 1947, as LPs did not appear until 1948. Is it possible that the original was a 1950's compilation of these early tracks?

Sojambi Pinola (talk) 18:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge attribution

I merged Genius of Modern Music, Volume Two [1] (BLP 1511) into Genius of Modern Music, Volume One [2] (BLP 1510) and moved here [3]. I restored and moved the Genius of Modern Music ten inch [4] and left and moved the Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2 10" [5] TlonicChronic (talk) 06:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So why hasn't Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2 been redirected here. Now Volume 2 info is in two places? I'm not sure of your efforts to combine different releases into one article. If you can't find sources, redirecting to the artist page or the artist's discography page may be more appropriate. If there are sources out there but lacking in the article, perhaps an effort can be made to expand the existing articles from those. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 21:43, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are separate releases. The 10"s and 12"s are entirely separate series on Blue Note, but they always reused the name. "New Faces New Sounds" and "Genius of Modern Music" were simply common Blue Note titles.
Sources can be probably found, but I wasn't adding to the articles and looking or sources I was merely cleaning up; all of the information and sources were already present in the articles. I combined volumes one and two of the twelve inches because they are released concurrently and always reissued together, which isn't the case for the 10"s (they're just separate albums. Blue note was pretty lazy with titles before 56) TlonicChronic (talk) 00:19, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So now we have an article about the two original 12" releases, and one article about the vol 2 of the 10"? I don't think you've really improved matters. In fact I think this is a lot more confusing than the prior state of affairs; especially since modern reissues toggle between the 10" and 12" artwork; and also since, in the digital era, the same material was further redistributed between various volume 1's and 2's.

Much collaborative work got us to the prior compromise.

Please revert.

Sojambi Pinola (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. I didn't delete the article, Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars did, and 2. They're different albums: Studio albums vs compilations. TlonicChronic (talk) 02:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also:

First of all, there have been several Monk albums called "Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 1." There is an earlier CD with an entirely different lineup of songs. There is also a CD called "Complete Genius of Modern Music" which collects all of volumes 1 & 2 of the earlier CDs. Though the current CD seems to use artwork from an old LP, the track selections do not remotely match up. So calling it an "expansion" or "reissue" seems like a misnomer.
Secondly, it is unlikely that the original volume 1 was released in 1947, as LPs did not appear until 1948. Is it possible that the original was a 1950's compilation of these early tracks?

Isn't that literally you? Separating the 10" studio albums (which are separate) and combining the 12" compilations literally solves this issue. TlonicChronic (talk) 02:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The 10" albums are also compilations, and the 12" albums are reformattings and expansions of the compilations. In both cases, they are rereleases of recordings which initially came out on 78 rpm singles. Sojambi Pinola (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the issue had been solved just fine in the way the pages were set up before, especially in concert with the article on the Monk Blue Note sessions. I don't feel you've improved matters. Sojambi Pinola (talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Young Man with a Horn (Miles Davis album) and Miles Davis, Vol. 3 if you believe that... you won't... TlonicChronic (talk) 13:30, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whataboutism doesn't improve this conversation or solve the issues you created here. We aren't talking about Miles Davis right now. Sojambi Pinola (talk) 22:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What issues did I create? I solved the only two issues you've brought up:

First of all, there have been several Monk albums called "Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 1." There is an earlier CD with an entirely different lineup of songs. There is also a CD called "Complete Genius of Modern Music" which collects all of volumes 1 & 2 of the earlier CDs. Though the current CD seems to use artwork from an old LP, the track selections do not remotely match up. So calling it an "expansion" or "reissue" seems like a misnomer.
Secondly, it is unlikely that the original volume 1 was released in 1947, as LPs did not appear until 1948. Is it possible that the original was a 1950's compilation of these early tracks?

Eugenia ioessa (talk) 14:19, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree it's very confusing now, I have the Rudy van Gelder edition Genius of Modern Music vol. 2 and wanted to figure out what vol. 1 was and didn't get much wiser. If the distinction is the 10" or 12" format, maybe it should be included in the title in a parenthesis? And is there a vol. 1 of Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2? At least the articles should have some more detail about this. Oh, and then there's also this newish release with a different tracklist:[6] FunkMonk (talk) 10:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it's very confusing now.... And is there a vol. 1 of Genius of Modern Music, Vol. 2? At least the articles should have some more detail about this.

Yes! There is a 10" Vol.1 released in 1951 (Blue Note LP 5002). I agree it's confusing as it stands. @Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars should restore the page for Vol. 1 or complete the job and delete the page for Vol. 2.

I have the Rudy van Gelder edition Genius of Modern Music vol. 2 and wanted to figure out what vol. 1 was

The RVG Vol. 1 tracklist is the same as the standard release of Vol. 1 on CD with the alt takes at the end, not back to back w/ the master.

If the distinction is the 10" or 12" format, maybe it should be included in the title in a parenthesis?

People can reDAB the pages. Maybe years might be better, but either way works for me!

Oh, and then there's also this newish release with a different tracklist

seems like a compilation put out by https://jazzimagesrecords.com/. Discogs calls them a "Spanish label specialized in jazz album reissues with deluxe gatefold LP covers by famous photographers (Jean-Pierre Leloir, William Claxton, etc)." Eugenia ioessa (talk) 15:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Monk biographer Robin Kelley, Volume 1 was a ten inch 33-1/3 record released in 1952, and was a compilation of material recorded in 1947 and previously released on 78. Volume 2 was also a ten inch 33, but was recorded in 1952 with the intent of only releasing on 33, not 78.

The original ten inch releases only had four tracks on each side [7]. The later twelve inch releases had six on each side, as shown in the track list in this article. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]