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If you allow me in your discussion, what is your justification for devoting a WP article to this student? His thesis has not yet been presented; he composed a few easy works for the organ, for use in the reformed liturgy; and he seems rather nice. Is that enough? The offical website of French theses, www.theses.fr, lists 3889 PhD theses concerning music, already presented or in preparation. So what? — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 18:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Gaël Liardon may have been a student indeed but he's now 43 on his way to 44 (next month) and is currently a music educator. The references and the external links indicate that he has some notoriety though he's not internationaly known. What's more this article is not orphan.

There are a lot of articles in French that I'd like to translate (see Organiste classique française), many of which couldn't find their place on the en Wiki since they would be orphan ones.

IMHO, il a autant sa place dans Wikipédia que tel ou tel arbitre de foot azerbadjanais de 3e ligue et autres curiosités que l'on peut trouver ici et là.

Hope your question has been answered. LouisAlain (talk) 08:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thank you. For sure, that Gael Liardon is a student (he still is PhD student in Tours) of almost 44 years old certainly justifies a WP article, especially that another article (where the link was created the same day as his own, or the day after) makes that his article is not orphan. I know of several (hundreds, actually) other PhDs presented, or not, by students of the same age or more, though. Most of them are now "music educators", and many are mentioned in references and external links.

Really, I wouldn't mind (I have nothing against M. Liardon, I don't know him and had never heard of him), was it not for the image this might give of French music scholarship and French musicology teaching at large...

At the same time, I fully agree with you about "tel ou tel arbitre de foot azerbadjanais". (Note that I have had an azerbaijanese student of now more than 44 years old, I think – I don't question my students about their age. Her PhD in music is also not yet presented, but she is a very good pianist – you might find her if you peruse Google web links.) — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 21:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing against M. Liardon, I don't know him and had never heard of him

Now you have thanks to Wikipedia whose aim it is to propagate knowledge

I wouldn't mind was it not for the image this might give of French music scholarship and French musicology teaching at large.

Well, actually Gaël Liardion is a Swiss citizen and music educator.

Other than that it seems we agree to agree. Have a good day; LouisAlain (talk) 10:31, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He is student in France. Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 13:37, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to the above: I know of dozens of French PhD students or former students (I mean, not necessarily French but having studied in France) with titles at least similar to those of M. Liardon. I checked that some of these are already more than once quoted in WP articles (often in reference lists, for their publications), even although they do not have a personal article. Also, I am somewhat surprized that a student would deserve an article while his teacher (PhD Director) has none. It seems to me that several French WP articles about musicians and musicologists would deserve an English translation, before beginning with new ones. — Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 21:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]