Talk:Flag of Mississippi/Archive 1

Archive 1

Reason for adoption?

Someone added:

It was adopted in 1894 as part of a protest over the emancipation of slaves caused by both the Emancipation Proclamation and the Thirteenth Amendment.

But as 1894 is so many years after both of those, I'm going to remove it until a source is provided. --Pmsyyz 00:36, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It's common in history books in the state of Mississippi, any others from Mississippi care to back me up on this one? It wasn't adopted only for this purpose, but it was a large part of the reason. Also remember your history. It took so long to pass the bill due to difficulty in transportation and communication. No phones, no cars, no roads, and most people in Mississippi couldn't afford to take a train. Things simpy moved slower.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.221.102.20 19:47, February 2, 2005‎ (UTC)

Slower, sure, but it still did not take thirty years to pass laws. Of course, there was the whole Reconstruction in there as well. The actual reasons for passage are rather speculative, but probably include a combination of Confederate nostalgia (by then 30 years in the past), resentment of Reconstruction, and racism. --Delirium July 9, 2005 00:48 (UTC)

Wow, someone's bias.

Maybe Mississippi just liked the Doctrine Of Nullification and limited government? Maybe they just favored Constitional government? Maybe they were tired of being ripped off by unfair Northern tariffs? Have you ever thought about that? If they wanted to keep their slaves then they would have joined the U.S. again after the Proclamation since it only freed slaves in Confederate territory not U.S. territory, so rejoining the U.S. would let them own slaves like Delaware and New Orleans.

Delaware got to keep slavery until 1904 when the last slave died! Slavery was a dying institution! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.9.79 (talk • contribs) also known as Ken Sublett from Tennessee.

Wow someone is off his rocker. Anywho, back to the flag - the 1890s was the beginning of Jim Crow. Reconstruction officially ended in 1877, but there were still Republicans and blacks holding office through part of the 1880s. It took a surprising while, but the 1890s was the decade when Southerners began fully suppressing the black vote. Northerners had moved to treat Civil War enmities as "let bygones be bygones" and were no longer looking over anyone's shoulder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huangdi 05:35, November 10, 2008 (UTC)

"Wow someone is off his rocker." Yeah, I'll say. You pretty much nailed it, Huangdi. Kudos. Illegitimate Barrister 03:42, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Referendum

I re-instated the section on the flag referendum that took place in 2001. I think it is notable enough and relevant to be mentioned there. Brusegadi 21:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed it is. Illegitimate Barrister 03:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

One of Two

I said added that the Mississippi flag is one of two state flags with the confederate flag incorporated. While Georgia's flag no longer has the confederate flag figured prominently, it still is represented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Economics101 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The Georgia flag features the state coat of arms, surrounded by thirteen stars, which represent the original American colonies. It features nothing from the confederate flag. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here @} 21:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

You are completely wrong. The design of the flag of Georgia is based on one of the Confederacy's first flags`. --Yankovic270 (talk) 17:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Flags before Secession

What flag(s) did Mississippi use before Secession? CountMacula (talk) 20:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

There wasn't one. The Magnolia Flag was the first official state flag.

158.15.255.228 (talk) 17:59, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. State flags are a relatively recent concept. Most U.S. states did not have flags of their own for much of their early history. In fact, most state flags were adopted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Most city, county, and town flags were adopted in the 1970s, to commemorate the U.S. bicentennial, which brought to light that many municipalities did not have flags of their own. In fact, many of them still don't. Regards, Illegitimate Barrister 03:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Is the legislative standard as loose as the article implies?

The article says the flag is defined with a "broad blue saltire" emblazoned with 13 stars representing the original 13 colonies. Does that mean that if you made a flag with four tiny red triangles at the four edges of the blue square, and put 13 stars in a circle like one of those early colonial US flags, it would still be an official Mississippi flag? Wnt (talk) 23:10, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

1861

And they had no flag prior to 1861? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.133.127.42 (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Nope, the Magnolia Flag was the first state flag. State flags weren't all that common at that time. 158.15.255.228 (talk) 13:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

State flags were not very common until the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Many C.S. states created their own flags when they declared secession from the U.S. in 1860-1861, as they became independent countries (in their view, since the U.S. didn't recognize it) for a short while before joining the CSA. Many state flags were created in response to early 20th century state fairs, centennials, and such. The Mississippi flag that's in use now was created in 1894, after the Democrats had taken control of the state government from the Republicans in "Redemption". It was also adopted a few years after said "Redeemers" had created a new state constitution as well, replacing the 1868 one in 1890 (it is still in use today). I hope this answers your question. Best of regards, – Illegitimate Barrister 02:26, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Mississippi has been consistent for over a century, while a number of other states Confederatized their flags only after the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling... AnonMoos (talk) 23:16, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Lauren Stennis flag proposal

This seems to have received a fair amount of media coverage, mostly local, but also in the New York Times... -- AnonMoos (talk) 23:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

There's a new Washington Post article -- [1] ... AnonMoos (talk) 10:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

And it’s also not just media coverage of a private initiative, but a bona fide Mississippi bill. Bottom line: we need to add the Stennis flag. If I had an SVG, I’d create the page myself. —ThorstenNY (talk) 14:10, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking of adding it to this article instead of creating a new one, but whatever works. I've been idly thinking about creating an SVG for a while; I'll give it greater priority now (especially if anyone could turn up a "construction sheet")... AnonMoos (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, adding a section to this article (and a redirect from Stennis flag to it) is a better idea. None of the other historic MS flags or MS flag proposals have their own articles and if the Stennis flag becomes the official state flag, then this article would show it anyway. As far as a construction sheet is concerned, I supposed you’d have to contact declaremississippi.com or laurinstennis.com. While the proposal apparently has significant political support, it appears that Ms. Stennis authorized a single MS flag dealer to sell the flag, and the design particulars don’t seem to have been widely distributed. That, of course, would change with official adoption by the state, which would place the design unambiguously into the public domain. —ThorstenNY (talk) 16:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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Stennis flag

Here it is... AnonMoos (talk) 03:13, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Very cool, thanks. I’ve added it to the article. The caption might need some work. —ThorstenNY (talk) 02:38, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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History

The design of the State flag has been modified officially two times since 1861. Two times? We have a word for this. Aboctok (talk) 09:43, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Request that an administrator or template editor updates Template:Country data Mississippi

I'm posting this here because it doesn't appear that anyone is currently eyeing this template.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)