Talk:Far-right politics in Australia

New related article

Hey guys! I’d just like you to know I’ve made a related article, Draft:List of hate groups in Australia and New Zealand. If you guys wanted to help edit it, you can. I used this page for a lot of the info and this is the most work I’ve ever done on a Wikipedia article. It is being submitted for review and hopefully it will get to Wikipedia. (60.229.148.166 (talk)) 4:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Comment: FYI, it appears that that draft was deleted by an admin, after qualifying for speedy deletion. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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Yes, I nominated that for deletion a couple of times, it had become increasingly racist in tone and content. Bacondrum 22:26, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

A real new related article

I think I've got to the end of Far-right terrorism in Australia, and would like to see other editors review and work on both this article and the new one in the light of the differentiated titles. I felt that a new article was necessary in the light of recentish terrorist plots and convictions, ASIO listing its first far-right proscribed organisation, and with far-right groups and individuals occupying 40% of their caseload, etc., and also to differentiate "extremist, with potential for violence and/or terrorism"-type groups and individuals from relatively mainstream far-right politics (PHON), Love Australia or Leave and whatever other groups there are that don't qualify for the description. I'm sure I've missed things, although I must say learnt about quite a few groups and movements of which I knew little or nothing, hence went off on long sidetracks along the way...
Also, wondering if it's worth separating the "21st-century groups" list into Current/Active and Defunct? A lot of them seem to have only had a short life and are now gone or morphed into other groups. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Wow, great work - both here and on the new article - I agree far-right terrorism in Australia warrants a separate article, we seem to be a real hotbed for these types of ideologies. I think the shorter lived 21st century groups may be undue for inclusion in this article, I mean if they barely existed, perhaps we are giving them more air than is warranted? Bacondrum 22:09, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

the Far-right terrorism in Australia article really is very impressive, well done. Bacondrum 22:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Bacondrum. I see that you've been removing and shuffling a lot of info in this one - but please be mindful of two things: the work that has gone into finding and recording some of the content, and redirects which may point to now non-existent headings. Users may still want to look up whatever info is available on one of those minor groups, however insignificant in the scheme of things. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I've just reverted those changes I made, not really sure how to approach this one. I don't want to give all those minor grouplets undue attention - especially seeing they all seem to love any attention they receive, negative or positive :D I certainly wouldn't want us to be unnecessarily inflating any of these groups egos. Bacondrum 23:52, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Bacondrum. I understand your sentiments, but my focus is on the wider population of readers who may just have heard something about one of these groups and wants to look them up, and the alphabetical arrangement probably helps. Let's just give it a little while and see if other editors have other suggestions, and give it a bit more thought. Perhaps the current group descriptions and headers could remain, but sub-divided into the actual registered political parties (one alphabetical list) - which IMO should include PHON, but we can await other opinions - and other assorted groups in another? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I strongly agree with including PHON. Maybe break down to sub categories: registered parties, defunct groups, street gangs or some such sets of sub categories. PHON is certainly a glaring absence. For the record, I always have mixed feeling when creating or working on these articles, I'm really interested in the subject, but I would hate to promote these people of their ideas in any way. It's a minor conundrum, I feel like knowledge is important and helpful in the fight against such extremism, but I'd also hate to promulgate these ideas in anyway.Bacondrum 00:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I just had another quick skim, but think I need to go and do other things for a while and come back to it with fresh eyes. Me too, mixed feelings - but if the information provided is factual and leads to good sources, then we are informing people about the true nature of some of these groups, and if there is a minority who revel in any mention, so be it. If it's been covered in reputable secondary sources, then it deserves its place in Wikipedia. I know there is wp:undue, but it's hard to apply to named entities, when it seems warranted to include some info about them at least. I see a couple of problems with too many further subdivisions: the difficulty of categorising which groups fit which heading, and also that the headings get very small and the TOC even longer... Perhaps start with the "Political parties" / "Other groups" split and then review again? Anyway - as I say, I need a break from all this and will come back later. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Judeo-Christian

Why are the far-right groups referred to as generally espousing Judeo-Christian beliefs in the introduction when many (dare I say most) are anti-Semitic?

129.93.161.223 (talk) 03:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Following up on this, the term (when used incorrectly) can be harmful and there is an entire section of `Judeo-Christian`'s Wikipedia page dedicated to the controversial usage in politics and Christian supersessionism. Since this is not a quote and instead stated as a fact, it should not be present. If someone could point to (and prove) the Jewish values presented by far-right movements in Australia, this would be a non-issue.

2603:80A0:1640:1B6:9DA7:62D1:F960:DBD9 (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)