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Bulgaria

According to this article, BNT is not on the list for now source. Yoyo360 (talk) 16:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as we now have 2 conflicting sources (ESCToday and ESC Daily) then I would recommend that Bulgaria be moved to the 'other countries' section. Wes Mouse ✒ 06:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Maps

Hi!

I'm an editor of the Hungarian Wikipedia. In our articles about the Eurovision competitions we use the maps at the end of the articles and in 600px resolution. But the maps that are in the Commons have a big Australia map in the upper right corner and that looks very bad in 600px resolution.

That's why I've made my own versions of these maps with a smaller map of Australia in the bottom right corner (for example: [1]). But there's an another editor in the Hungarian Wikipedia who doesn't want to see my maps in the articles and I don't want to see the maps with the bigger map of Australia.

Could you give me some advice how to solve this problem?

Thank you in advance!

(and sorry for the possible mistakes)

D97v (talk) 22:23, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Do what you would do on any Wikipedia and discuss it on the talk page and gain a consensus. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 22:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I think I've found a solution. What do you think about this version? I think we should move Australia to the bottom left corner. This map looks much better. (And the other editor, whom I've mentioned, said yes to this too.) D97v (talk) 10:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted the JESC map for now due to imagemap errors. I'll post a quick message on WP:Eurovision. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 18:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@D97v: Why have you gone against a decision that was previously opposed after you raised the issue at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2016/Archive 3#Map of Australia? It was noted that you are allowed to upload files exclusively for Hungarian Wikipedia use at hu:Speciális:Feltöltés, something which you said you were going to do. The fact you have moved the map to the bottom left corner and made it smaller has caused an issue with the links. Each country has a link attached to them so that when someone clicks any country within the map, it will direct them to the country in Eurovision article. Australia no longer has this function, because you moved the map. I would urge the map to be reverted and Australia positioned back in its original location so that the link function is restored. Wes Mouse ✒ 12:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

• Also if someone opposed your actions on Hungarian Wiki, then that does not give you the right to go against consensus that was reached over there. You are suppose to reach a consensus if any proposed changes are going to cause a huge impact across multiple Wikimedia spaces. Wes Mouse ✒ 12:48, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Kaliopi

I see that someone has added that Kaliopi will represent Macedonia again. And even though she has confirmed it at her Facebook account I am not sure if posting it before a more formal confirmation is appropriate. She is not the first singer to announce this as then it turns out to be incorrect or she participates as a songwriter or whatever. I want more input on this. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

So now wiwibloggs has confirmed the news. --BabbaQ (talk) 21:22, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Closure of BBC Three and UK broadcast of semi-finals

Has there been any information with regards to BBC broadcast of the semi-finals which normally is on BBC Three, a channel due to close in February 2016.Lacunae (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Lacunae: BBC three is not closing down, it is moving from terrestrial broadcasting to online broadcasting. We cannot speculate what will happen, as the BBC will most likely know what they are doing. They could either move the semis to BBC 2, or via their red button service and simulcast with BBC Three (online). Wes Mouse ✒ 15:46, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Pretty sure that simulcasting with Red Button is not permissible under the EBU rules? So it must move to BBC Two, surely? Until they confirm Scott Mills' umpteenth co-commentator, it's speculation. Spa-Franks (talk) 20:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2015

Finalists

Country	Language	Artist	Song	English translation
France	French		December 2015

The English translation column only becomes added one the first song title is known. Wes Mouse ✒ 02:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

please create an article on norwegian partipation

whar is known is that the hosts are the same as in 2015 and that there is 10 songs in the final in oslo spektrum.(no semi finals as the song are already selected). please find a source for me.84.212.73.96 (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Portuguese Withdraw

RTP (Portuguese State Television) announced that Portugal would withdraw due to lack of funds and to prepare a solid participation in 2017, but as stated in the introduction: "Portugal have withdrawn, however, largely due to their national broadcaster's insufficient promotion of their music-based media, as well as a poorly structured selection process." However it might be true, this statement is purely a personal opinion since there is no sources of any kind about the subject and Wikipedia shouldn't have this content which is pure speculation. I'm not following very closely this page, but shouldn't we delete this kind of information or, at the very least, try to find independent sources that confirm it (and state it as an opinion of some expert and not as an absolute true)? - Sarilho1 (talk) 22:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

@Sarilho1: the citation to verify it is within the main body of the article under the 'other countries' section. Per WP:CITELEAD we follow the guidelines of not adding citations in the lead or infobox, as those sections are summarising what is written in the main article body. Wes Mouse ✒ 12:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new here and would just like to add my support to the view that describing RTP's approach to selection/music media promotion as 'insufficient' in the article is merely subjective.Hejtheredavid (talk) 11:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Iceland - Language

Iceland's song has been listed as will be performed in Icelandic but this has not been confirmed. The Icelandic songs will have to be performed in Icelandic at the national selection semi-finals and of the artists own choice in the final (Which in the end will be the version for the Eurovisiom) but for now no language decision has been made — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.0.236.86 (talk) 13:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Two presenters for the first time since 2009?

Under Presenters it says the 2016 Contest will be the first Contest with two presenters since the 2009 Contest.

While the final of the 2009 Contest in Moscow had two presenters there were two different presenters in the semi-finals i.e. Andrey Mahalov and Natalia Vodianova in the semi-finals and Alsou and Ivan Urgant in the final

2 * 2 == 4, my view on it is there were four presenters of the Contest, not two.

If we're taking just two presenters period, the last two-presenter Contest was 2008 in Belgrade with Jovana Janković and Željko Joksimović. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 12:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• The entire context is trival matter any way and should not be included. Wes Mouse ✒ 15:26, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Monacan Entry

Is there any official sources announcing the Monacan return in 2016 or is it all speculation as earlier on this year TMC said they will not be returning and the EBU hasn't said anything about a Monacan entry? Rodger42 (talk) 13:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Albania's Song - language

Hello wikipedia, I wanted to know if we should include the fact that Eneda Tarifa has stated in an interview she would like to sing her song "Përrallë" in English. My source is here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.211.15 (talk) 15:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't be better if just remove the language of the song until further details and use the current reference to the song. Since it doesn't state that the song will be in English or Albanian, just an expectation. - Sarilho1 (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

The song we have now is in Albanian, it was not 100% confirmed that the song in Stockholm will be in English. Eneda has stated that she expects the song will end up in English but does not give a 100% confirmation (ie: the song WILL be in English). As she also stated, the song will be reworked in the coming months, and until we have that 100% confirmation the language should remain as Albanian. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 01:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Standard practice and procedure in the past when it comes to Albania, has been to leave the language data as Albanian until a reliable source provides 110% confirmation that the song will be reworked into a different language; at which point the information would then be updated. Wes Mouse ✒ 11:04, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

"Oikotimes isn't reliable" => French song selection

Hi,

I wanted you to know that if Oikotimes isn't reliable, then Wiwibloggs isn't too. Indeed, this interview is totally real and I don't think that Edoardo Grassi would allow anyone to lie on something/someone and create(imagine) a false interview !

EDIT : Oikotimes is classified as a semi-reliable source : http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Eurovision/Sources#Semi-reliable

--Wikays (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

• @Wikays: Oikotimes are only semi reliable and can only be used if their published news also cites where they obtained it from. They have in the past published news that was later determined to be false and unreliable, because the false news was published by a registered member of the website. Oikotimes is a bit like Wikipedia, in that anyone can register a profile with them and then post news as a volunteer editor. So use them with caution and only if their news states where they obtained it from. Wes Mouse ✒ 11:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Edoardo Grassi stated that interview was true, then we can keep it as a viable source for the artist(s)'s(') revealing date in my opinion ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikays (talk • contribs) 13:19, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

@Wikays: stating something is true does not in fact make it 100% truth. For example, if I were to say that I am actually an alien from Mars and that my word is truth, would you believe it? Truth needs to be verified. If the published source states where they obtained the information from, then it can be verified and therefore be truth. But to take someone's pure word for it without any cited evidence does not make it pure truth, only hearsay. Wes Mouse ✒ 19:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Ireland

Following on, but for me the source only states about what selection process details will be, rather than an internally picked or a national selection. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 19:13, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Winner

I would like to make a suggestion about the map. We can create a different colour for the country which win the contest every year? 37.6.241.101, 16 January 2016, 12:40 (UTC)

Edit 700879072

As promised in the article history, please find below a summary of all changes in edit 700879072:

1. Added hosts to lead, in line with ESC 2014 which is marked as a Good article.
2. "have *-past" > "will *-infinitive", as event is in the future.
3. /* Location */ Cleaned-up hosting conditions: ordered from stage > venue > vicinity of venue > city.
4. /* Bidding phase */ Made Stockholm and Ericsson Globe bold in line with 2014.
5. /* Bidding phase */ Moved Hovet above Friends Arena in table Venues, as Hovet precedes Friends alphabetically.
6. /* Format */ Gave follow-up to possible change of start time of contest.
7. /* Semi-final allocation draw */ Added information on the draw taken directly from citation.
8. /* Participating countries */ Clarified that Australia will enter the semi-finals and only vote in their semi-final and final.
9. /* Returning artists */ Ordered artists by birth surname: Fuad Backović-Deen, Kaliopi Bukle, Bojan Jovović.
10. /* Returning artists */ Referred to Fuad Backović as Fuad-Backović-Deen, as well as in the list of participating countries, keeping order as in previous point.
11. /* Returning artists */ Added Bojan Jovović, representing Montenegro in 2016 as part of Highway, who represented Serbia and Montenegro in 2005 as part of No Name.
12. /* Other countries */ Countries announce that they are not participating in 2016.
13. /* Other countries */ National broadcasters given title in national language if possible in line with ESC 2014 (Kosovo, Slovakia, Turkey)
14. /* Other countries */ Added Morocco, Tunisia and other members who did not give explanation for non-participation.
15. /* Other countries */ Kazakhstan removed from /* Active EBU members */ as Khabar Agency is not an Active EBU member.
16. /* Other countries */ Created new heading /* Associate EBU members */ as Khabar Agency have EBU membership, just not active.
17. /* Other countries */ Renamed /* Require EBU membership */ to /* EBU non-members */ in line with /* Active EBU members */ and /* Associate EBU members */.
18. /* Other countries */ Petrit Selimi is Deputy Foreign Minister, not Foreign Minister of Kosovo, as stated in his Wikipedia article and Twitter biography.

Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Language

In this reference writes: The song is going to be sung in the language of citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Bosnian mainly used by Bosniaks, this year's representatives are not only Bosniaks. Bosnia and Herzegovina's constitution does not specify any official languages. Dayton Agreement states that it is done in Bosnian, Croatian, English and Serbian, and many describe this as the de facto recognition of three official languages at the state level. The equal status of Bosnian, Serbian and Croatian was verified by the Constitutional Court in 2000. It is sometimes used universal name Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian (BCS) for language of citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina. [2] [3] --Aca Srbin (talk) 15:56, 21 January 2016 (UCT)

To sing Chameleon or not to sing Chameleon?

A user added a note to the Maltese representative's listing in Semi-final 1 explaining that Chameleon may not be the song that is sung by Ira Losco in Stockholm.

My edit summary wouldn't submit, but I removed the information because it is expected that she will sing Chameleon in Stockholm, in a similar vein to Albanian representative Eneda Tarifa and whether she will sing in Albanian or English, or last year when Albanian representative Elhaida Dani when Diell was withdrawn to be replaced by I'm Alive.

If there is any change before the contest then it can be updated in the meantime, similar to the change of song for Albania as alluded to above.

I also suggest that the information about Malta Eurovision Song Contest choosing the artist and not necessarily the song should be added to Malta's own participation if it is felt it should be anywhere.

Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 22:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

The case was the same last year. We keep the song listed until they announce otherwise. I've added the news item about the potential for the song to change to the Malta in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 article. Pickette (talk) 03:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Indeed Pickette is correct here. We had a similar scenario last year, Bearnard O'Riain., with the Maltese entry and the potential of the song title being changed. What we did was add more in-depth information onto the Maltese article, and a footnote to the Eurovision Song Contest 2015 article, until a decision either way in regards to the song title was reached (see this example). That would be why a footnote was added to this article providing brief summary on the fact the song title maybe subject to change along with a source to verify the fact. All that complies with WP:V. Wes Mouse ✒ 10:25, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Wesley Mouse, perfect! I didn't realise the rule existed until I was watching the national final itself. Thanks for the explanation and adding the footnote to this article and more in-depth information into the article itself. Bearnard O'Riain. (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Clause 14 in the regulations for the 2016 Malta Eurovision Song Contest allow for the song to be amended or changed, therefore, "Chameleon" may not end up being the song representing Malta in Stockholm. "PBS reserve the right to amend adapt or change the winning song. Should PBS decide to change the song, the original composer and author will be involved in the process." - Daniel d'Anastasi, Malta Eurovision Head of Press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielDAnastasi (talk • contribs) 10:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)