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I am teetering between 'mid' and 'low' in my opinion. The company has sufficient historical strength to have survived two name changes and a transit between generations, and the original ancestor might be able to demonstrate more notability than the present article reflects. However, this is a small company with what appears to be a presently undistinguished but globally sold product. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 16:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: the sections below suggest that the products are distinguished in some fashion. As far as globally sold, no .. they sold their first item out of North America 1 March 2007 (Google cache link). --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article enhancement

I'm trying to include some history on notable Canadian boat builders, which is starkly missing from the Wiki. I have no affiliation with this company but wish to at least document a few notable participants that helped develop boating/sailing as we know it today. Trimarans are very unique and were only developed by a handful of companies worldwide and Canada is proud to have hosted one of the early pioneers companies in this area. Sadly most information is buried in magazine articles as much of the history occurred before there was an internet and little is captured in books as this is a niche subject....

If this page is at issue, then I would respectfully submit that every modern boatbuilder listed in the Wiki should be questioned as to the merit of their inclusion. Without exception, none of the others have any more claim to historical significance than this entry and most offer far less and are simply "me too" participants in this industry....

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Uofcinla (talk • contribs) 17:40, 22 March 2007

Pieces of info that might help track down more info

The "Ontario Corporation Number" for P.C. Mould, Ltd., the "grandmother" of Element Yachts, is 000641104 according to the PDF document accessible via http://www.gov.on.ca/GOPSP/en/graphics/054408.pdf. The PDF document is Volume 139-36 of The Ontario Gazette, dated 9 September 2006. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, bad news. http://www.elementyachts.com/ resolves now to a page that prominently displays "elementyachts.com expired on 01/05/2008 and is pending renewal or deletion." --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Boat reviews

Contour 34 SC

This might be of use to the article. It concerns a product produced by the mother of Element Yachts, Contour Yachts (news citation):

John Kretschmer. "Boat Test: Contour 34 SC". Sailing Magazine. Retrieved 2008-01-14. There is no disputing that Contour's new 34 SC (sport cruiser) has upped the ante and probably changed the trailerable trimaran market forever. ... With the introduction of the 34 SC, trailerable trimarans have come of age.

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a picture of the 34 SC, as well as one of the Contour 50: http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/contour-yachts/sailboat-cruising-racing-trimaran-21357-51873.html. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contour 50

This is a short preview blurb from 2002:

Peter d’Anjou (2002-09-23). "New Boat Preview: Contour 51". Sailing World. Retrieved 2008-01-14. This big dual-purpose, folding trimaran, from the design boards of Rob Lambden and Steve Killing, looks like a toned-down French megacat racer.

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contour 30 MK II

John Kretschmer. "Boat Test: Endearing Multihull". Sailing Magazine. Retrieved 2008-01-14. The primary motivation for developing the MK II was a complete redesign of the sailplan.

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Multihulls

Multi's are really a specialised area of yachts with a devoted but limited following. I have have never heard of this company, but then i do not live in Canada. The Article reads a bit like thinly disguised marketing to me, and really belongs in a trade list of some sort.

If the boats are really that well known and mass produced they will have a class association of some sort. In my opinion a boat really needs to be produced and sold in the hundreds before it warrants an Article, or has repeatably performed and excelled in fleets of high number. In which case the class association should prepare an Article on each such boat (not all products) in which the builders name can be mentioned and the class association linked (not the builder) The yacht Article can then be linked to the Multihull template (see templates at foot of Yacht racing for details) where it is more likely to be scrutinised by knowledgable editors. Frankly there are tens of thousands of boat builders in English speaking countries, and many more boats, and I do not yet see anything that distinguishes this one. A scan of Wiki under 'Boat builder' produces some famous names, but this is not one of them. Jagra (talk) 05:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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