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Sources

Excellent information here, but are there any references or sources we can site? It looks a little sparse right now. --Asiir 23:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

Since this article only covers elections of the Republic of China on Taiwan era, it might be better to move it to Elections in Taiwan and then we'll be able to add some Taiwanese elections during the Japanese rule era. Just a thought.--Jerry 23:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1948 was before the move to Taiwan, so this is incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.79.73.249 (talk) 11:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

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The result of the proposal was no move, as the article includes material on "pre-Taiwan" elections.Cúchullain ^t/c 15:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Elections in the Republic of China → Elections in Taiwan – I propose to rename this article to Elections in Taiwan to fit in with other articles about Taiwan.C. 22468 Talk to me 14:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose This article, like articles on government and military, should be an exception to the convention of using the current common name. This article lists the 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 elections in its history section. These elections were held on mainland China - they were "elections in the Republic of China" but not "elections in Taiwan." In fact the first three had nothing to do with Taiwan, as Taiwan was under Japanese rule at the time, see Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1912 and Republic of China National Assembly elections, 1918. The article title "Elections in Taiwan" would not only be unnecessarily limited in scope, but also plainly misleading for those searching about elections prior to the 1990s.--Jiang (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment "Taiwan" can't be used for pre-1945; indeed, in that era, Taiwan was ruled by Japan. If the small amount of pre-1949 content is disentangled, I would support. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It makes no sense to disentangle the pre-1949 elections. The Republic of China presidential elections, 1948 elected a president who was in office in Taiwan until 1975. The Republic of China National Assembly election, 1947 and Republic of China legislative election, 1948 elected representatives who occupied the same seats in parliament in Taiwan until 1991! These elections were all held in Mainland China but form a significant part of Taiwan's political history. It is impossible to disentangle the Republic of China elections on the mainland from modern Taiwan. "Republic of China" (not "China" and not "Taiwan") is the only name that is not misleading here. --Jiang (talk) 00:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This one of those times that the official name is better, as the ROC was not always Taiwan, and was China for a long time. --Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 22:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Split the ROC had elections before 1950 evacuation to Taiwan. The resumption of democracy can be covered under a Taiwan-titled article, and the edit history for this article covers that area. However, the title under ROC should be a separate article, which uses WP:SUMMARYSTYLE to summarize the resumption of democracy as a section after the 1911-1950 period which would form the meat of that article. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 06:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The current length of this article does not support the need to siphon off content using WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. --Jiang (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't see why not, since either (1) this is an ROC article, and should not be renamed, since the ROC had elections prior to evacuating to Taiwan, (2) if renamed, it would no longer cover that period, so must be summarized into a greater ROC article. -- 70.50.151.36 (talk) 03:34, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - So you are essentially opposing the move proposal. WP:SUMMARYSTYLE is meant to be used when articles become unnecessarily long. It's not needed here yet.--Jiang (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Previous state names shouldn't have a bearing on the title, which should reflect the state's current name by our nomenclature. Note that Elections in West Germany redirects to Elections in Germany, with pre-1949 elections address in separate sections. (Elections in East Germany also redirects to a section there.) If that page includes Nazi-era elections, this one can certainly include periods of Japanese rule. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Your examples don't apply here. "West Germany" was always considered in "Germany" so the redirect is neither misleading nor inaccurate. Here, elections held in Mainland China in 1912, 1918, 1921, 1947, and 1948 were not "Elections in Taiwan." Even if we recognize that Taiwan is overwhelmingly the current common name of the Republic of China, calling the 1912 election an "election in Taiwan" would be just as egregious as calling Sun Yat-sen the first "president of Taiwan". There is no content on elections held during the Japanese rule in Taiwan, while the 1947 and 1948 held on the mainland cannot be separated from Taiwanese history. --Jiang (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any reason why we couldn't have an "Elections in Mainland China" section in this article parallel to the section Elections in Germany#German elections 1871 to 1945. Most of these elections—and all the present ones—are held in Taiwan for the area described at Taiwan; previous elections in territories held at the time by the country seem to me that they would fit fine within the scope of an "Elections in Taiwan" article. --BDD (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article could certainly use more historical background text, but a historically logical division would be 1912-1921, 1947-1989, and 1991-present to reflect political, rather than geographical changes. Those elected in 1947 and 1948 continued to sit in office in office in Taipei to represent their original mainland constituencies until 1991 - the elections held in Taiwan prior to 1991 were "supplemental". --Jiang (talk) 20:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - per Jiang's comments above. Also, articles that deal exclusively with the actions of the government of Taiwan should use the name of that government. Readin (talk) 18:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This article is almost all about recent elections, by which time the moniker "Taiwan" was universal. I doubt if you can find any media source in an English-speaking country that reported on the "election in the Republic of China". Kauffner (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia articles are not static and this article needs improvement. There is not a great deal of content here - aside from templated infoboxes. I don't see why the 1947-48 elections should not be discussed in the same detail as the 2012 elections and it would be plainly idiotic from a topical and historical standpoint to split the content at 1949.--Jiang (talk) 04:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: Procedural close, discussion ensued on addition of new content outside of the current scope of this article. IAR: Leaving some of the lower newer comments open. (non-admin closure) — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 20:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Elections in the Republic of China → Elections in Taiwan – I want to add information about Taiwanese elections under Japanese rule. Coco977 (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – This article is about the Republic of China, not Taiwan. Information about elections on Taiwan during Japanese rule belongs at Taiwan under Japanese rule, or in a new article. RGloucester — ☎ 21:01, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When readers search for "Elections in Taiwan", they should be able to find information about Taiwanese elections under Japanese rule. If we put it under Taiwan under Japanese rule, readers wouldn't.--Coco977 (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article isn't about elections in Taiwan. RGloucester — ☎ 16:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't solve the problem. How about writing a new article of Elections in Taiwan that is partially the same with this article?--Coco977 (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would find that acceptable. The RoC has governed Taiwan for part of its history, but has also existed during periods when Taiwan was not under its governance. There is a clear potential for a Taiwan article that deals with the full breadth of Taiwanese history, and an RoC article that deals with the full breadth of RoC history. RGloucester — ☎ 17:07, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per the main article being at Taiwan and the contents of the article being exclusively about elections held since the island became a de facto separate state. Number 5 7 22:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~Strong~~ Procedural oppose – ~~a previous RM proposal to this effect just failed. Opening up this one immediately after is pretty much the definition of WP:GAMING, at best.~~ Opposing on the same basis as I opposed a similar recent move request for the 2016 election page: This issue is bigger than one article, and if people want to change the suite of "Republic of China" articles to "Taiwan", they need to hold a wider RfC on the issue. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC) (Revised by --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC))[reply]

It was four years ago, and the article does not include material on "pre-Taiwan" elections anymore.--Coco977 (talk) 11:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Looked at the month, and missed the year. I'll strike, and revise my opposing rationale. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural comment: RM deliberately closed at this point so further discussion about new content to be added can continue outside of the RM process. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 20:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are few "Republic of China" articles that does not include material on 1912~1949 other than those election articles. For the other election articles a RFC is already in progress.--Coco977 (talk) 12:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The question is, where did the content you suggested existed on the subject of 1912–49 disappear to, and why did it do so? It should be brought back. As of now, I cannot find it. It is obvious that 1912–49 should be covered in this article. However, it seems that elections from 1912–49 are not presently covered anywhere in the encylopaedia. RGloucester — ☎ 14:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is nothing about 1912–49 in the encyclopedia yet and I have already written the draft about Taiwanese elections under Japanese rule, why not move the page to Taiwan and change the scope of the article?--Coco977 (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because it seems like that content was removed for the sake of such a change, which is a nonsense. In any case, this is about the RoC, not about Taiwan. If you want to have a Taiwan article, make a Taiwan article. The RoC and 'Taiwan' are not the same thing. RGloucester — ☎ 18:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 February 2017

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The result of the move request was: carried out as a technical request. This was merely a talk page realignment and repair, not a proposed move. (non-admin closure) RGloucester — ☎ 13:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Elections in Taiwan → Elections in the Republic of China – There's already the article talk "Elections in the Republic of China". This needs to be reverted back. 2607:FEA8:61F:F0AB:5C89:BBA5:CFF6:4F03 (talk) 22:06, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose – I can't understand the rationale, and it seems like a bad move. Dicklyon (talk) 05:22, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Country is called Taiwan. Seems the failure to move the talk page was an oversight by Amakuru when he moved the article. Number 57 10:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I note the IP has also started a move request at Talk:Taiwan of which the outcome is already pretty clear. Number 5 7 11:50, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Matches article title which is not likely to change. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is quite obvious that the above editors have no figured out what the IP is requesting. When the crazy move of Elections in the Republic of China to Elections in Taiwan happened, the editor that moved the article left the old talk page behind, with its edit history. Therefore, as one can see, this page is a new creation that was formerly redirect, whereas the real old talk page for the article is at Talk:Elections in the Republic of China. All this fellow wants done is a repair job, and I'll be doing that shortly]]. RGloucester — ☎ 13:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

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Japanese Taiwan

During the 1895-1945 period, were elections held in Taiwan when it was under Japanese control? If not, could we include it so the Elections in the Republic of China (1912–49) article could be created. 99.242.170.90 (talk) 17:06, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Japanese Taiwan held two elections. One in 1935 and another in 1939. There would have been one more in 1943, but it was canceled due to World War II.

However, this article actually talks about the ROC, not Taiwan (island). The article title is kinda confusing. --Matt Smith (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Referendum

This article does not include referendum, only dates. Hansen033 (talk) 07:06, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Better CEC link

Just use https://www.cec.gov.tw/ . Jidanni (talk) 17:20, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]