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Unreliable sources

The sources on the article are self-published or unreliable. I will go through them here.

"He is recognised as a figurehead in the vegan movement, with his university lecture "You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again"[1] being viewed over 33 million times online". This is sourced to his own YouTube video which is self-published and fails WP:RS. [1]

https://earthlinged.org/ is a self-published / promotional website owned by Ed Winters.

"Being viewed over 33 million times online" - A Facebook source is given here as a reference. [2], this is not reliable.

"He gave two TEDx talks in early 2019", this is sourced to plantbasednews [3], unlikely to pass WP:RS

"And taught classes on the ethics of using animals as commodities at Harvard University", this is sourced to a vegan website vegannews.co. This fails WP:RS and the link is dead [4]

"Winters started his YouTube channel in 2016, alongside co-founding the animal rights organisation Surge with his partner". Sourced to veganfoodandliving.com a vegan website [5], fails WP:RS

"He specifically focuses on education as means in which to advocate, with a focus on philosophical and ethical arguments regarding accepting animals into "our circle of moral consideration." Self published source is given... a YouTube video [6].

"His online teachings are based on effective communication and positive community building. In 2016 through Surge Winters co-founded The Official Animal Rights March" - Sourced to Metro (British newspaper). [7]. This is a tabloid newspaper. I am not entirely opposed to using these but they are not always reliable.

"which succeeded in a growth from 2,500 participants in London in 2016 to 28,000 participants across the world in 2018" looks like original research but even if it isn't the source is https://www.theofficialanimalrightsmarch.org/ and that does not match the claim. On that link I cannot find that information. The website fails WP:RS

"In September 2018 he opened an entirely non-profit vegan restaurant in London called Unity Diner.[16]" This is sourced to vegnews.com [8], obviously not a neutral source like most of the others and fails WP:RS

"His campaigning through Surge has resulted in a 100% fur-free catwalk at London Fashion Week" This is sourced to a broken link [9] but the website https://www.surgeactivism.org is owned by Ed Winters so this is a primary source.

Winters is based in London. He turned vegetarian in May 2014 after coming across a news article about a chicken truck crashing near Manchester. Upon reading that many of the birds had died, he "realised that all animals had the capacity to suffer", something that he had never considered before This is sourced to an interview with Winters at the Vegan Society website. [10] Psychologist Guy (talk) 20:07, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Veg Historian (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! These have been all removed, except the one about Harvard which is confirmed by multiple other sources. Nemo 11:09, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on this article. 5 years ago there lacked WP:RS for him, now we have plenty of sourcing. If you have any spare time you may want to improve James Aspey. Veg Historian (talk) 18:38, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nemo_bis of minor importance, but per WP:DAILYEXPRESS the Daily Express is unreliable. The same with The Metro WP:METRO. I think those sources should be removed. I have done a lot of historical research into the Daily Express, it used to be a reliable newspaper around 80-100 years ago. It's a shame that most modern British newspaper are unreliable tabloid garbage. Another one to watch out for is WP:DAILYMIRROR. Veg Historian (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking! These are tabloids and can't be relied on for any matter of substance. They are ok for the purpose of proving a simple fact (such as the existence of a reading list on a public website). Also they are an indirect indicator that a topic (such as Ed Winters) has entered mainstream discourse (otherwise they probably wouldn't bother to stir up outrage against him). As long as we avoid parroting their views as if they were representative of NPOV or consensus, we should be ok here. Those two passages aren't particularly important so they can also be removed, though. Nemo 19:21, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed one of those. Nemo 19:29, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Legal name

I'm a bit conflicted about this change in the infobox. The legal name is out there in the open on primary sources (and on sources which mirror the old version of this article), so it's not a secret, but the decision to include it here should be based on reliable sources. Currently we only have what seems to be a blog attached to an e-commerce site which republished another blog which seemed to be based on some old rant, so we can't quite rely on their research. And if we don't have a reliable source, it doesn't do any harm to omit this piece of information. Nemo 08:54, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]