Talk:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: Index, 1, 2: 30 days

The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to discussions about infoboxes and to edits adding, deleting, collapsing, or removing verifiable information from infoboxes, which has been designated as a contentious topic.

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

This article was nominated for deletion on 8 May 2024. The result of the discussion was withdrawn.

Hip hop Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Hip hop, a collaborative effort to build a useful resource for and improve the coverage of hip hop on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.Hip hopWikipedia:WikiProject Hip hopTemplate:WikiProject Hip hopHip hop articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Canada Low‑importance

	Canada portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

United States Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Internet culture Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of internet culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Internet cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Internet cultureTemplate:WikiProject Internet cultureInternet culture articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Internet culture To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : View all requested internet culture articles
Expand : Pick an article from here or here
Photo : Category:Internet culture articles needing images
Stubs : All stubs are located here
Other : Category:Internet self-classification codes (!?); Try to get YouTube to FA; Tag all articles you find with {{WikiProject Internet culture}}
- See also Category:Internet culture articles needing attention

Daily pageviews of this article

A graph should have been displayed here but graphs are temporarily disabled. Until they are enabled again, visit the interactive graph at pageviews.wmcloud.org

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened:

May 5 to 11, 2024

This article has been mentioned by multiple media organizations:

Laxmi (May 7, 2024). ""Made J. Cole look like he died in the war": Drake vs Kendrick Lamar Rap Battle Gets a World War 2 Styled Wikipedia Update That No One Saw Coming". fandomwire.com. Retrieved May 7, 2024. While Wikipedia might not always be the most trusted source of information, the renowned website has recently caught the attention of fans for a page chronicling the details and timeline of the rap battle between Drake and Kendrick Lamar.
Ms Sharmin (May 7, 2024). ""THE DRAKE/KENDRICK LAMAR FEUD GOES WIKIPEDIA EPIC". hypefresh.com. Retrieved May 8, 2024. This struggle, for which the concept of "rivalry" is not enough, is presented in the wiki as a historical event, the chronicle of which is organized according to the principle of war.

A fact from Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the "beef" between Kendrick Lamar and Drake (both pictured) dates back to the 2013 song "Control"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud.

"Parties"

I think it's most accurate to remove everyone other than Drake and Lamar from the infobox "Parties" entry.

Drake and Lamar dissed each other on their own songs (except Like That, a Future song). Including a list of single artist who has dissed Drake or Lamar since March 2024 is outside the scope of the infobox.

Every other song, by other artists, made independent of Drake/Lamar and without their cosign is only tangentially related to the two artist's beef. Those songs aren't included in the "Works" entry. Including the artists who recorded them it the "Parties" entry is inconsistent.

Risedemise (talk) 02:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I undid this edit, sorry. I think you should wait for more consensus before making such a big change.

That said, I don't have a particularly strong opinion on this. The way I see it, it could be a few ways:

Artists who directly made or contributed tracks about the beef, so Metro, Rick Ross, and Kanye on Kendrick's side for example but not YG. Maybe The Game on Drake's?
Artists who publicly supported them, which is more or less what it is currently, but this could get unwieldy
Removing the parties section altogether.

I think I'm most partial to the first. It keeps the list short, keeps relevant info in the infobox, and avoids it becoming unwieldly which I think is the risk of number 2. Number 3 I'm not totally opposed to but I think it sort of defeats the point of having a "parties" section to begin with, since the page already says Drake–Kendrick feud. I also would prefer us to have a quick way to say who supports who, but I'm not going to be mad or anything if it's gone. Delukiel (talk) 04:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it without waiting because it's better to err on the side of lacking information than including potentially incorrect information.

My concern about "Artists who directly made or contributed tracks about the beef" is I think it may imply coordination/support that didn't actually happen. To put it simply it seems like everyone is taking shots at Drake, rather than supporting Lamar, which I think the Parties entry implies.

"Artists who publicly supported them, which is more or less what it is currently". It's missing Drake's supporters. See Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud#cite_note-115. And I think this is a bad idea, because commenting support is barely contributing. And plenty of other celebrities and critics have commented, too, so why the distinction for musicians? This list would definitely be too long for the infobox. Risedemise (talk) 07:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are good points. I do think it'd probably be lopsided in favor of Kendrick even if we stick to the first one, but didn't Game release a track dissing Ross because Ross was posting on Instagram? There's one person at least.

To be honest it really just seems nobody really showed up for Drake, even though he was expecting people to, so I think it'd be accurate to that extent. But like I said I don't have a very strong opinion on this, so I'm indifferent to whatever the end result is. Delukiel (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think the "since" dates may be misleading, as most of the parties listed have only released a single song related to this feud. Risedemise (talk) 07:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bbl Drizzy in songs involved?

BBL Drizzy was technically a diss targeted at drake therefore it should be under song involved. ArizonacardinalsFan (talk) 15:39, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's already under related works. Delukiel (talk) 20:19, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can it really be said that the feud is "ongoing"?

The only new content after the "heart part 6" is a music video for "not like us". It really seems like both sides are sorta done with the beef. Ahmed0112 (talk) 03:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Until we have a source saying it's over, we have to assume it's ongoing. If some time from now there's still nothing, then we can alter how the dating of this feud is presented. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually disagree with this, insofar as we already have sources say it's over (mainly from TDE). However I agree with your conclusion, because I don't think that Drake and Lamar will ever patch this up. It'll probably be ongoing forever. Delukiel (talk) 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would even argue the opposite, i.e. that you hardly say that the feud is over at this point (depending on how you define "feud") or that the two are "done with the beef"... Not just because it's only been two days since the music video and barely three weeks since the Pop Out concert but also because of the nature of the feud. Personally, I think this will be ongoing for a while (see other long-standing rap feuds). Although, as Pbritti said, we may alter the presentation if there's really nothing new some time from now. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 15:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yuno Miles intervention?

Yuno Miles created what is probably the most famous verse on the BBL Drizzy beat, even if it was of a comedic nature. Should his freestyle be at least mentioned under the section about BBL Drizzy? TheBigGuyBillyBob (talk) 13:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there are no reliable sources, it should not be included. See WP:RELIABLE. Spinixster (trout me!) 08:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What qualifies as a reliable source? And what would it be a source for? TheBigGuyBillyBob (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've already linked the relevant page explaining reliable sources. For a list of it, see WP:RSP. The source should mention Yuno Miles's BBL Drizzy verse. Spinixster (trout me!) 06:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What i'm supposed to source, I

guess, was really what I should have asked. 24.214.75.60 (talk) 01:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Glover addition

So Donald recently dropped the last album under the "Childish Gambino" moniker, "Bando Stone and The New World", and on one of the songs "Yoshinoya", it's being interpreted as a Drake diss. There's numerous lines indicating that it might be such as:

"People around you ain't slatt, they plottin' hard when you slack / They got a gun in your back, this who you trust when you sleepin' at night"

"Made a song, but spent more time writin' the caption"

I would add more lines, but then again, this is speculation. Would it be necessary to keep him on the Wiki page, or for now, leave him out of it, especially since Pharrell was removed from the related songs? Sandwichcipher (talk) 21:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best to remove it. It's just speculation. Spinixster (trout me!) 03:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This can be interesting in some way? [[1]/A tweet commenting about this music] Goliv04053 (talk) 05:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a self-published source (WP:SPS) by some random person, but either way, it's still speculation. See WP:SPECULATION. Spinixster (trout me!) 08:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]