Talk:Draco Pistol

WikiProjects of interest

@A412: I fail to understand your line of reasoning at considering this weapon, or any firearm, is of sufficient interest to WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography to add the banner to the talk page. Neither the iconic gangster weapon, the Thompson submachine gun, nor the AK-47, have such a banner, so why is this weapon any different? As far as I can tell, the weapon, itself, is neither a crime nor a criminal. While this article might be used to commit crimes, so can many other tools, including rocks and bit of wood. There is no inherent criminality in the weapon itself. The issue is with how people use this firearm. The observation that police are seizing more of these weapons from criminals is not enough for it to be of interest to WikiProject Law Enforcement, and nor is it enough to be of interest to WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography. If you think I am wrong, please enlighten me. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with any of the mentioned WikiProjects, so if you're more familiar with their inclusion guidelines I'm inclined to defer to your judgement. I just tagged by the article text, a substantial portion of which is spent discussing the firearm with regards to crime and law enforcement. ~ A412 ^talk! 23:19, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@A412: Thanks for the explanation. The criminal applications for this weapon would seem to be due to the specific gun-control environment that exists in the United States, and may not represent a world-wide trend or issue. The article might need to discuss this weapon's availability and regulation in other countries. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

I just now saw this discussion. The Draco appears to be disproportionately involved and/or named in crime and criminal subculture elements, to the extent that this has been recognized widely by the general public and media. You are correct that gun regulations, specifically the pistol classification in the US, is a propelling cause behind its widespread ubiquity in the world of crime, and what also brings the weapon its uniqueness as a high-capacity firearm.

I would also agree with your point that there is nothing inherently criminal about the gun; Rather, its high-potential for lethality coupled with an ease of restrictions surrounding it is something that has been heavily exploited by bad actors. On that note, I would concur that it does not have any place in the Criminal/Law communities you mentioned. It may also be noted that some credible and objective gun reviewers have discussed issues with the gun's alleged inaccuracy, short-range limitations, and suggested a lack practical application, or at least without modifications - References for this are available in the article and are all over the place online. Clearly, I have nothing personally against the gun, as that would be a flagrant violation of WP:NPOV SwissAmish (talk) 17:15, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

@SwissAmish: I think the association of this weapon with "criminal subculture" is probably unique to the United States, and its gun control laws. In many other countries, this weapon would probably be prohibited and illegal to even possess, and probably would not even be imported, let alone, sold, even by select licensed firearms dealers. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 15:35, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, which is why I titled this paragraph - "Presence in the United States". SwissAmish (talk) 04:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)