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There is no such thing as the state of Palestinian. The west bank is the correct way to say that.

This is not political message but a real geography matter.

Please change

Mohammed ben rabab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.67.20.119 (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well. WP refers to state of Palestinian in the title and twice after, since, following a failed attempt in 2011 to secure full United Nations member state status, the United Nations General Assembly voted in 2012 to recognize Palestine as a non-member observer state. Which renders it a de jure state versus a de facto astate. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 04:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should be referred to in lower-case, as you've done in your statement. Jndrline (talk) 01:09, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is not political, and I see the previous discussion, but there are still flaws with listing this as the "State of Palestine."

The issues are three:

1. The listing is not consistent with the Wikipedia listing of Vatican City, the other non-member observer State.

2. The listing is not consistent with the United Nation's recognition of a non-member observer State.

3. The listing confuses the current status of the Palestinian territories (the officially used phrase for the region by the United Nations.)

The best title is to use the United Nation's official phrase "Demographics of the Palestinian Territories" with a descriptor in the first couple of lines, similar to "Vatican City."

Irrespective of what is decided to use, it is inappropriate to shorten "Palestinian non-member observer State" to "Palestinian State" since the two phrases have completely different meanings. One cannot conclude from "Palestinian non-member observer State" that there is a "Palestinian State" since the latter meaning of "State" has a specific meaning (referring to a voting member willing to carry out the rules of the UN whereas the former does not.

Wikipedia's current title therefore confuses the meaning of the status of the Palestine region. kbachler (talk) 15:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Medic2410 (talk) 18:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add new population pyramid from United Nations Yearbook - Census 1 XII 2017.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Population Information

Source #10 is incorrectly used The source itself states in the conclusion that it is not the definitive answer. It also claims that there is no legal basis for claiming it was annexed, but the 1970's supreme court ruled that it was annexed per the source in the Jerusalem Law wikipage source 7 Law and History Review

I recommend Jerusalem be removed from the State of Palestine demographics as it clearly isn't part of Palestine

Similarly few Arabs residing in Israel consider themselves Palestinian, and should also not be counted as part of the State Of Palestine demographics and should also be removed.Factchecker170 (talk) 20:41, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with your map

The map features the state of Israel. Not Palestine which is not recognise. 84.229.138.95 (talk) 08:15, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1950- glosses over the nakba

The fact the page lists statistics only from 1950 onwards glosses over the nakba. I get that 1950 is an easy year to standardise from but it's a really bad choice here. On the page for earlier history it lists population in 1948 as almost 2mil. I shouldn't have had to go hunting for that figure, it should be here. Otherwise looks like trying to hide a genocide. 193.119.100.30 (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To call the nakba a genocide is framing at least. A violent displacement and a catastrophe for the people affected would be more accurate. As always under such circumstances there were certainly crimes and even murders committed, but not genocide. Genocide by its very definition means primarily killing the people affiliated to a nation with the intent to obliterate that nation, like in many instances native people in North America, Africa or Australia, the Jews in Europe and the Armenians in Turkey. 92.217.137.209 (talk) 07:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide has little to do with "killing". Per the definition of the 1948 Genocide Convention, the criteria for genocide are:

- - "killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group." Dimadick (talk) 13:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard.

Demographics of the West Bank

the figures in the "Population" subsection of the "Demographics of the West Bank" section are completely wrong and do not match the reliable source that is cited. cia world factbook specifies 3,176,549 palestinians as of 2023 (which is close to the palestine central bureau of statistics projection for 2023 of 3,256,906), 468,300 settlers excluding east jerusalem (which is close to the israel central bureau of statistics figure of 465,400) and 236,600 in east jerusalem (which is close to the jerusalem institute for policy research figure of 255,600). with the cia figures you would get 81.8% palestinians and 18.2% settlers. with the figures from the three institutes mentioned above you get almost exactly the same ratio. the figures currently in the article are incorrect and do not come from a reliable source for demographic information.--Exjerusalemite (talk) 05:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the CIA figures you get 22.2% Israelis not 18.2%. It is important to note that These populations and the around 400,000 Arabs of Jerusalem are counted in the Israeli population by the State of Israel, which means the Palestinian population in the West Bank is in fact around 2 millions only. 2A02:ED0:5F08:6100:9987:5C65:BF3:908F (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Palestinian Territories

Israeli estimates

The Israel Central Bureau of Statistics estimated (2017) that the collective population in the Palestinian territories amounted to 4,543,126 people in 2017. Thereof, 2,155,743 Palestinians live in the West Bank, 1,795,183 Palestinians live in the Gaza Strip, and 391,000 Israelis live in the West Bank outside of East Jerusalem.[8] Approximately 214,600 Israelis live in East Jerusalem.[28] East Jerusalem, once administered by Jordan, came under Israeli occupation after the 1967 Six-Day War.[29] In the Palestinian territories, c. 86% of the population is Palestinian (predominantly Sunni), c. 13% is Jewish, other <1% (cf. Israel: Jewish 74%, Palestinian 21%, other 5%).[8]

They are not Arabs, they are Palestinians. There for the population of Jerusalem is Charbel Sawane (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 18:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]