Talk:David M. Gonzales

Early Years?

Where does all that detailed information at "Early Years" section comes from? There's no source for that. --damiens.rf 17:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Weird url

The second reference is such an weird url

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=QALA&p_theme=ladn&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=500&s_dispstring=allfields(Gonzales%20)%20AND%20date(05/26/2007%20to%2005/26/2007)&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date:B,E&p_text_date-0=05/26/2007%20to%2005/26/2007)&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=(

Did it ever worked? --damiens.rf 17:22, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

World War II section

Where does the information in the World War II section actually come from? It uses "The Rakkasans: the combat history of the 187th Airborne Infantry" as a source, but Google Books says this book has no mention to "gonzalez" or "vila verde" . Also, "thunderbolt" is used only once in the book and in a completely unrelated context. --damiens.rf 18:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

No word on that? I will be cleaning up the section shortly. --damiens.rf 18:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Just did it. --damiens.rf 16:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Unjustified removal of content

I am reverting the removal of documented content from the artilce by "User: Damiens" which was done under the false accusation and allegations of "Stop the meatpuperty and the online promotion of your father".

I am not promoting my father nor is he mentioned in the article. The truth of the matter is that the above mentioned user has, for some unknown reason, a dislike of my father and had hounded him and belittled his accomplishments as a Wikipedian in the past. He will use any excuse to eliminate anything in Wikipedia which may seem as a reference to my father.

Wikipedia is not about what "We like" or "dislike", it is about facts which can be sustained with reliable verifiable sources. The above mentioned user should follow the example of User:Scottyberg, who once joined forces with him against my father, but who in the end ended up admiring my fathers work: [1]

Please refrain from removing content simply because you do not like it or because you dislike a person in question. There are other forums to take up this issue. Antonio Martin (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Please, back off, as you're obviously taking it personally. It was decided by discussion that the content in question, which mentions a marginal event on the life of the article's subject were your father was involved, was not fit to be in the article. It was only added in the first place because your father himself authored it.

Some months after being removed, your father re-added it, silently (without discussion and avoiding the use of an edit description). That was a mistake, and I reverted it.

I appreciate the work of your father here. I do have some reservations about (1) his understanding of image policies, (2) his sometimes problematic Puerto Rico nationalism and (3) his (now apparently mostly overcome) tendency for vanity. On the other side, he is, among all other Wikipedians I had ever interacted with, the one that will most easily accept criticism and try improve with it. His edits need an overview, but he'll always welcome it. --damiens.rf 18:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Update for you on David M. Gonzales (2)

Hello, Marine. This edit of yours in David M. Gonzales was a little bit clumsy, to say the least. It seems you reverted a sequence of edits of mine just for disagreeing (or wanting to improve) just some of the edits.

In the process, you removed a link I used as a reference, replacing it back with a dead link.

Also, you restored content on the World War II section that was tagged as {{citation needed}} or {{failed verification}} since July 2012(!). Do you disagree with my removal of them? I tried to start a talk page discussion about these problems back in July 2012, but it was ignored.

Those blank reverts are not helpful. Please, try to concentrate in modifying the parts of the article you want to improve. Reverting back to "your version" before changing makes it seem like you own the article, but we know you don't feel this way about it.

Also, the wikicode is broken in the reference n.8 you introduced.

Do you want to clean your changes? I may revert them back to my version and allow you to restart a clean (second) attempt into fixing the problems you see. I can help you with the wikicode or anything else. Use the article's talk page to explain what you need. --damiens.rf 16:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Damiens, how have you been? Clumsy? Maybe true, I've been called worse. I did not revert to my so-called version, since I do not "own" the article and that is not the way we do things in Wikipedia. I re-added a fact which you removed. A fact that has to do with the subjects family and one of the people whom the subject saved which resulted in the subject being awarded the Medal of Honor. The event was covered by the media and is directly related to subject and his actions in World War II. Ne my guest and help out in whatever way you can. As always your help is much appreciated. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

So, will you: (1) fix the wikicode on the reference you added, (2) readd the reference I put and you removed in your revert and (3) remove the years old unreferenced content you readded with your revert (or maybe provide references for it)? I can do that for you, if you prefer. I just want to let it clear that there's nothing similar to a edit war going on.

But if you believe some of these itens should not be done, either by me or you, could you tell me which one it is and elaborate on your reasons to think that it should'n be done? Thanks, --damiens.rf 01:47, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

It is fine with me if you fix the references which I may have messed up, however let me make it clear that I did not add any content that is not or was not properly referenced before. The reference to the newspaper article which backs up the content is clear in itself. Just because it is no longer posted a website does not mean that anyone with the proper means cannot access the newspaper article. That minor addition which resulted from the subjects heroic actions is an important part regarding the legacy of the subject. Tony the Marine (talk)

Would you fix your mess yourself? --damiens.rf 22:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Could you be more specific and point out exactly what mess you are referring to, because quite frankly I do not see any mess at all. You removed important content from the article and it was re-added, as simple as that. I do not see any references which are broken and so on. Therefore, please point out what you want done. By writing "wikicode", you are not telling me a thing. Tony the Marine (talk) 19:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I will try to be EVEN more specific.

1. I replaced a dead-link reference by a working one, but you removed my reference and readded the old broken one. Did you need to remove the working one to keep the dead link?
2. I removed content tagged as unreferenced since July 2012, after an unsuccessful attempt to find soures at a talk page discussion. You readded the years old unreferenced content.

If you need me to be even more specific, please, let me know. But please, try to be specific in your answer as well. --damiens.rf 16:09, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

1. Fixed; 2. Reference: "A medal, a debt, both of honor"; author: John Faherty; Pages: B1, B4; The Arizona Republic; May 27, 2007. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for 1.. Take more care next time. Blank reverts are not helpful. Please, try to concentrate in modifying the parts of the article you want to improve.

About 2., thanks also. But do you know if this article can be found online somewhere? I know it's not required for Wikipedia, but I really would like to check the reference myself. Does this reference really support the sentence "On February 1, 1945, Gonzales, was awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge" and everything else the World War II section says? --damiens.rf 01:03, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• It is shame, but the Arizona Republic article is no longer online, it used to be. I think that anyone with the proper knowhow can go to a library and access it. I have copies and could even send you one in the future if you wish. Now, the newspaper article and reference backs up the information on the families meeting and news coverage in Powder Springs, Georgia and the World War II section. His "badge" and such are listed in the following publication: "Undaunted Courage Mexican American Patriots Of World War II (2005)"; by: Latino Advocates for Education, Inc. Frederick P. Aguirre, Linda Martinez Aguirre and Rogelio C. Rodriguez; Publisher: The First American Corporation. Now get this Damiens, despite the fact that the book in itself is huge, it's page are not numbered. The information in the book was obtained from the "U.S. National Archives and Records Administration, Battle Reports; Unit History records and Fox Fall Medals. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)