Talk:Dan Kogai

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This page is mostly a translation of ja:小飼弾.

Speedy deletion... um, Dan Kogai is one of the top bloggers in Japan, his blog is mentioned as in the top ten. Does that not qualify?Iminai (talk) 15:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry is justified in this case

Dan Kogai is not only one of Japan's A-list bloggers but also one of the country's top 5 coders, a technology evangelist and influential IT entrepreneur. He is one of the few Japanese IT icons well known even outside the local IT industry.

You have to bear in mind that Technorati lists group blogs, which are bigger than his but his blog is maintained solely by himself.

A Wikipedia entry on Kogai is more than justified in my eyes. GaijininJapan (talk) 15:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the above, if anyone would like to delete this page I would ask that you express your thoughts here please. There is no doubt in my mind that Dan Kogai is notable enough to have his own page. In all honesty, considering the scarcity of information on Japanese IT bloggers/entrepreneurs in English, I find it hard to believe that speedy deletion would even be considered in this case. Iminai (talk) 12:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Argument for deletion

Copy-pasting discussion from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dan_Kogai :Iminai (talk) 00:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

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Blogger and developer, but no apparent notability. -- Oscarthecat (talk) 10:10, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete. No assertion of notability at all. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 10:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Since Chris's comment the article has been updated to claim his blog as 'no. 5 in Japan', which probably saves it from speedy. However, that doesn't not exactly constitute a "well-known and independent award" or "multiple non-trivial published works" (WP:WEB), and the source given is another blog which in turn cites "Technorati, which is not super-reliable, we know". I've only done a brief search for other references and didn't find any, but there may be something out there (perhaps in Japanese) I've missed. Olaf Davis | Talk 16:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Forgot to say: even if his blog is notable it doesn't justify a separate page for him. So it's probably delete-worthy, and at most mergeable to an article on the blog itself. Olaf Davis | Talk 16:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

• Can we take down this ridiculous request for deletion? Dan Kogai is one of the most well-known bloggers in Japan as well as being a prominent developer and former CTO of Livedoor. Rather than lunge at the delete button, it would have been a bit more reasonable to post something on the discussion page first, where I had very clearly posted a message and would have responded right away. Most documentation is in Japanese so if you want me to substantiate stuff you'll have to allow for time to translate, or have a look at the Japanese-language page yourself. Iminai (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

• If Dan Kogai is one of the best known bloggers in Japan, I recommend posting some links to articles about him in reliable independent secondary sources. (Note that articles that merely mention him probably don't count, neither do mentions in other blogs. Articles that are merely about his childhood aren't likely to count for much either.) I did a gnews search and ZDnet may be a good start. I'm keeping my vote as delete at the moment (I'm removing the speedy as there is now at least an assertion of notability), but I'll change it to keep if suitable evidence arrives.

What will not carry any weight in the discussion is branding the nomination of deletion "ridiculous". The whole point of these deletion debates is to give people the chance to present evidence as to why the article is sufficiently notable for inclusion. A foreign language wikipedia may have less strict consensus on notability there, so you should never assume that inclusion on a foreign wiki automatically means inclusion on the English version. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Let me qualify "ridiculous". Wikipedia in English (and the net generally in English) has an incredible sparsity of information on Japanese bloggers, despite the country having one of the largest (if not the largest) blogging communities in the world. Where the English-speaking world does know something about Japanese bloggers, the info tends to be about idols whose "notability" comes from TV appearances, etc. What I am trying to do is to bring a different perspective on this world, by highlighting bloggers who are well-known locally but virtually unknown in the West. What is ridiculous is that whereas there are oodles of pages on e.g. American bloggers, there are only a handful on Japanese ones, and yet when someone comes along trying to add to this list they are told that despite a blogger being ranked 5th most popular in the country (among many other things), that blogger may be eligible for deletion (or even speedy deletion). That is ridiculous. I'm not questioning that the cleaning-up/organization/etc. of Wikipedia pages is not an easy task, but the approach here is wrong-headed and will turn off many potential contributors, especially non-native English speakers who will not have the capacity to respond promptly to requests like this. ... In any case, I've included a list of books Kogai has written, when I have time I'll add more. Also I am copying comments here to the talk page for Kogai so that they are kept with the entry itself (otherwise most people will not find this discussion).