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Catalog
No. Year Artist(s) Title Format Notes
Rune 001 1984 R. Stevie Moore What's the Point?!! LP
Rune 002 1984 However Calling LP
Rune 003 1985 Present Le Poison Qui Rend Fou LP
Rune 004 1985 David Borden/New Mother Mallard Band Anatidae LP
Rune 005 1985 The Muffins Open City LP
Rune 006 1986 PFS Illustrative Problems LP
Rune 007 1986 Piero Milesi The Nuclear Observatory of Dr. Nanof LP
Rune 008 1987 Doctor Nerve Armed Observation LP
Rune 009 1987 Univers Zero Heatwave LP
Rune 010 1988 David Borden/Mother Mallard Migration LP
Rune 011 1987 Phil Miller Cutting Both Ways LP
Rune 012 08 Jun 2000 Curlew Live in Berlin LP, CD, DL
Rune 013 1988 Mikel Rouse Broken Consort A Lincoln Portrait LP
Rune 014 1988 Miriodor Miriodor LP
Rune 015 1988 Univers Zero Uzed LP
Rune 016 01 Jan 1988 Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 9-12 LP, CD, DL
Rune 017 1989 Present Triskaidekaphobie/Le Poison Qui Rend Fou LP
Rune 018 1989 Piero Milesi & Daniel Bacalov La Camera Astratta LP
Rune 019 01 Jan 1989 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Faultline LP, CD, DL
Rune 020 1989 Univers Zero 1313 LP
Rune 021 01 Jan 1990 David Borden/Mother Mallard The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 5–8 LP, CD, DL
Rune 022 1990 PFS 279 CD PFS was an offshoot band from Cartoon
Rune 023 1990 Peter Frohmader Macrocosm CD
Rune 024 1990 U Totem U Totem CD
Rune 025 1990 Forever Einstein Artificial Horizon CD
Rune 026 1991 Doctor Nerve Beta 14 OK CD
Rune 027 16 Jan 1992 Curlew Bee CD, DL
Rune 028 01 Jan 1991 David Borden/Mother Mallard The Continuing Story of Counterpoint, Parts 1–4, 8 CD, DL
Rune 029 1991 Univers Zero Heresie CD
Rune 030 1991 Richard Pinhas Chronolyse CD
Rune 031 1991 Richard Pinhas East West CD
Rune 032 1991 Miriodor 3e Avertissement/3rd Warning CD
Rune 033 1991 Daniel Denis Sirius and the Ghosts CD
Rune 034 1991 Phil Miller Digging In CD
Rune 035 01 Jan 1992 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Pyroclastics CD, DL
Rune 036 1992 Richard Pinhas L'Ethique CD
Rune 037 1992 Heldon Heldon II / Allez Teia CD
Rune 038 22 Jan 1992 Doctor Nerve Armed Observation / Out To Bomb Fresh Kings CD, DL
Rune 039 1992 Univers Zero Ceux du dehors CD
Rune 040 1992 Richard Pinhas DWW CD
Rune 041 1992 Forever Einstein Opportunity Crosses The Bridge CD
Rune 042 1992 Mujician The Journey CD
Rune 043 1992 Heldon Interface CD
Rune 044 1992 Richard Pinhas Iceland CD
Rune 045 1992 Henry Kaiser Lemon Fish Tweezer CD
Rune 046 01 Jan 1993 Chainsaw Jazz Disconcerto CD, DL
Rune 047 1992 Curlew The Hardwood VHS
Rune 048 1993 Kombinat M Hybrid Beat CD
Rune 049 1993 Daniel Denis Les eaux troubles CD
Rune 050 1993 Curlew with Amy Denio A Beautiful Western Saddle CD
Rune 051 1993 Heldon Electronic Guerilla CD
Rune 052 1993 Heldon It's Always Rock and Roll CD
Rune 053 1993 Heldon Stand By CD
Rune 054 1993 Philharmonie Les Elephants Carillionneurs CD
Rune 055 29 Mar 1995 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic The Fossil Record 1980-1987 CD, DL
Rune 056 1994 Virgil Moorefield Distractions on the Way to the King's Party CD
Rune 057 01 Jan 1994 George Cartwright Dot CD, DL
Rune 058 29 Mar 1995 David Borden Places, Times & People CD, DL
Rune 059 1994 Peter Frohmader Cycle of Eternity CD
Rune 060 1994 Heldon Heldon IV: Agneta Nilsson CD
Rune 061 1994 Richard Pinhas Rhizosphere / Live Paris 1982 CD
Rune 062 1994 Mujician Poem About the Hero CD
Rune 063 1994 Piero Milesi Modi CD
Rune 064 1994 Philharmonie Nord CD
Rune 065 1994 Heldon Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale CD
Rune 066 1994 U Totem Strange Attractors CD
Rune 067 1995 Hugh Hopper Band Carousel CD
Rune 068 1995 Forrest Fang Folklore CD
Rune 069 01 Mar 1995 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Dancing on A'a CD, DL
Rune 070 5 May 1995 Doctor Nerve Skin CD, DL
Rune 071 5 May 1995 Blast Wire Stitched Ears CD, DL
Rune 072 1995 The Siamese Stepbrothers The Siamese Stepbrothers CD
Rune 073 1995 Happy Family Happy Family CD
Rune 074 1995 Volapük Le Feu du Tigre CD
Rune 075 1995 various artists Unsettled Scores (disc 1) CD Cuneiform artists cover other Cuneiform artists
Rune 076 1995 various artists Unsettled Scores (disc 2) CD
Rune 077 1995 Hugh Hopper/Alan Gowen Two Rainbows Daily CD
Rune 078 1996 Miriodor Jongleries Elastiques CD
Rune 079 1996 C.W. Vrtacek Silent Heaven CD
Rune 080 13 Feb 1996 Curlew Paradise CD, DL
Rune 081 1996 Rattlemouth Walking a Full Moon Dog CD
Rune 082 1996 Mujician Birdman CD
Rune 083 01 Jun 1995 Elton Dean Quintet Silent Knowledge CD, DL
Rune 084 1996 Philharmonie Rage CD
Rune 085 1996 5uu's Point of Views CD
Rune 086 23 Oct 1996 Raoul Björkenheim & Krakatau Ritual CD, DL
Rune 087 1996 Present Live! CD
Rune 088 1996 Doctor Nerve Every Screaming Ear CD
Rune 089 1996 Gary Windo His Master's Bones CD
Rune 090 1996 Soft Machine Spaced CD
Rune 091 21 Jan 1997 Boud Deun Astronomy Made Easy CD, DL
Rune 092 16 Sep 1997 Elton Dean, Paul Dunmall, Tony Levin, Paul Rogers, Roswell Rudd, Keith Tippett Bladik CD, DL
Rune 093 1997 Happy Family Toscco CD
Rune 094 1997 Volapük Slang! CD
Rune 095 16 Sep 1997 Blast Stringy Rugs CD, DL
Rune 096 16 Sep 1997 Boom One Hour Talisman CD, DL
Rune 097 1997 Otolithen S.O.D. CD
Rune 098 1997 Forrest Fang The Blind Messenger CD
Rune 099 16 Sep 1997 Djam Karet The Devouring CD, DL
Rune 100 1998 Soft Machine Virtually CD
Rune 101 1998 Rattlemouth Fist Full of Iffy CD
Rune 102 1998 Mujician Colours Fulfilled CD
Rune 103 08 Sep 1998 Elton Dean Just Us CD, DL
Rune 104 1998 Hugh Hopper 1984 CD
Rune 105 27 Jan 1998 Curlew Fabulous Drop CD, DL
Rune 106 1998 Forever Einstein One Thing After Another CD
Rune 107 1998 Present Certitudes CD
Rune 108 1998 Miriodor Rencontres CD
Rune 109 1999 Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company 1970-1973 CD
Rune 110 1999 Hughscore Delta Flora CD
Rune 111 01 Sep 1998 Boud Deun The Stolen Bicycle CD, DL
Rune 112 18 Jan 1999 Paul Dunmall Octet Bebop Starburst CD, DL
Rune 113 1998 Thinking Plague In Extremis CD
Rune 114 10 Sep 1998 Guigou Chenevier Les Rumeurs de la Ville CD, DL
Rune 115 22 Sep 1999 Delivery Fools Meeting CD, DL originally released 1970
Rune 116 1999 Motor Totemist Guild City of Mirrors CD
Rune 117 1999 Fred Frith/Henry Kaiser Friends & Enemies (disc 1) CD
Rune 118 1999 Fred Frith/Henry Kaiser Friends & Enemies (disc 2) CD
Rune 119 22 Sep 1999 Djam Karet Live at Orion CD, DL
Rune 120 1999 Univers Zero The Hard Quest CD
Rune 121 1999 Von Zamla 1983 CD
Rune 122 1999 The Hosemobile What Can & Can't Go On CD
Rune 123 1999 Peter Frohmader/Richard Pinhas Fossil Culture CD
Rune 124 1998 Philharmonie The Last Word Le Dernier Mot CD
Rune 125 22 Sep 1999 Blast A Sophisticated Face CD, DL
Rune 126 16 May 2000 Doctor Nerve with the Sirius String Quartet Ereia CD, DL
Rune 127 18 Jan 2000 George Cartwright/Amy Denio/Paul Haines The Memphis Years: Terminal Moraine CD, DL
Rune 128 17 Jan 2000 Djam Karet Burning the Hard City CD, DL originally released 1991
Rune 129 17 Jan 2000 Djam Karet Suspension & Displacement CD, DL originally released 1991
Rune 130 2000 Soft Machine Noisette CD
Rune 131 2000 Schizotrope The Life & Death of Marie Zorn CD
Rune 132 2000 Rich Woodson's Ellipsis Control & Resistance CD
Rune 133 2000 Piero Milesi Within Himself CD
Rune 134 2000 Volapük Polyglot CD
Rune 135 2000 Dave Kerman with 5uu's Regarding Purgatories CD
Rune 136 2000 Forever Einstein Down With Gravity CD
Rune 137 19 Sep 2000 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Petrophonics CD, DL
Rune 138 19 Sep 2000 The Danubians The Danubians CD, DL
Rune 139 16 May 2000 Djam Karet Reflections from the Firepool CD, DL originally released 1989
Rune 140 2000 Gilgamesh Arriving Twice CD
Rune 141 2000 Thinking Plague Early Plague Years CD
Rune 142 22 May 2001 Paul Dunmall Octet The Great Divide CD, DL
Rune 143 15 Jan 2001 Elton Dean Moorsong CD, DL
Rune 144 15 Jan 2001 Robert Creeley, Chris Massey, Steve Swallow, David CasT, David Torn Have We Told You All You'd Thought To Know? CD, DL
Rune 145 2001 National Health Playtime CD
Rune 146 2001 Hamster Theatre Carnival Detournement CD
Rune 147 2001 Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company Like A Duck To Water CD
Rune 148 2001 Miriodor Mekano CD
Rune 149 22 May 2001 Djam Karet New Dark Age CD, DL
Rune 150 2001 Matching Mole Smoke Signals CD
Rune 151 2001 The Stick Men Insatiable CD
Rune 152 03 Aug 2001 Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath Travelling Somewhere CD, DL
Rune 153 2001 Picchio dal Pozzo Camere Zimmer Rooms CD
Rune 154 2001 NeBeLNeST NoVa eXPReSS CD
Rune 155 2001 Univers Zero Crawling Wind CD
Rune 156 18 Sep 2001 Raoul Björkenheim Apocalypso CD, DL
Rune 157 29 Jan 2002 Curlew Meet The Curlews! CD, DL
Rune 158 2002 Dave Kerman with 5uu's Abandonship CD
Rune 159 7 May 2002 Deus ex Machina Cinque CD, DL
Rune 160 2002 Arkham Arkham CD
Rune 161 2002 The Muffins Bandwidth CD
Rune 162 2002 Mujician Spacetime CD
Rune 163 2002 various artists 156 Strings CD
Rune 164 2002 Sotos Platypus CD
Rune 165 2002 Univers Zero Rhythmix CD
Rune 166 2002 Richard Pinhas Event and Repetitions CD
Rune 167 17 Sep 2002 Curlew North America CD, DL
Rune 168 2003 Krakatoa We Are the Rowboats CD
Rune 169 6 May 2003 Djam Karet A Night for Baku CD, DL
Rune 170 2002 Soft Machine Backwards CD
Rune 171 2002 Proto-Kaw Early Recordings from Kansas 1971-1973 CD
Rune 172 2002 Matching Mole March CD
Rune 173 2003 Nucleus Live in Bremen (disc 1) CD
Rune 174 2003 Nucleus Live in Bremen (disc 2) CD
Rune 175 2003 Robert Wyatt Solar Flares Burn For You CD
Rune 176 6 May 2003 Bone Uses Wrist Grab CD, DL Hugh Hopper, Nick Didkovsky & John Roulat
Rune 177 16 Sep 2003 Curlew Mercury CD, DL
Rune 178 2003 Larval Obedience CD
Rune 179 16 Sep 2003 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic The Iridium Controversy CD, DL
Rune 180 2003 Thinking Plague A History of Madness CD
Rune 181 2003 In Cahoots All That CD
Rune 182 13 Jan 2004 Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath Bremen to Bridgewater (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 183 13 Jan 2004 Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath Bremen to Bridgewater (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 184 2004 Guapo Five Suns CD
Rune 185 13 Jan 2004 Ahvak Ahvak CD, DL
Rune 186 2004 Richard Pinhas Tranzition CD
Rune 187 13 Jan 2004 The Claudia Quintet I, Claudia CD, DL
Rune 188 2004 University of Errors Jet Propelled Photographs CD
Rune 189 2004 Gary Windo Anglo American CD
Rune 190 2004 Univers Zero Implosion CD
Rune 191 2004 Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles! Sky Garden (disc 1) CD
Rune 192 2004 Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles! Sky Garden (disc 2) CD
Rune 193 2004 Pip Pyle's Bash Belle Illusion CD
Rune 194 2004 Far Corner Far Corner CD
Rune 195 2004 Soft Machine Live In Paris May 2nd 1972 (disc 1) CD
Rune 196 2004 Soft Machine Live In Paris May 2nd 1972 (disc 2) CD
Rune 197 2004 Yang A Complex Nature CD
Rune 198 2004 Richard Leo Johnson Trio Poetry of Appliance CD
Rune 199 21 Sep 2004 The Muffins Double Negative CD, DL
Rune 200 2005 John Surman Way Back When CD
Rune 201 2005 Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles! Upriver (disc 1) CD
Rune 202 2005 Henry Kaiser & Wadada Leo Smith: Yo Miles! Upriver (disc 2) CD
Rune 203 21 Sep 2004 Paul Dunmall Moksha Big Band I Wish You Peace CD, DL
Rune 204 2005 Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores The Quiet Room CD
Rune 205 2005 Fast 'N' Bulbous Pork Chop Blue Around The Rind CD
Rune 206 2005 Forever Einstein Racket Science CD
Rune 207 2005 Present A Great Inhumane Adventure CD
Rune 208 2005 Miriodor Parade (disc 1) CD
Rune 209 2005 Miriodor Live at NEARFest (disc 2) CD
Rune 210 2005 Machine and the Synergetic Nuts Leap Second Neutral CD
Rune 211 2005 Radio Massacre International Emissaries (disc 1) CD
Rune 212 2005 Radio Massacre International Emissaries (disc 2) CD
Rune 213 10 May 2005 Graham Collier Workpoints (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 214 10 May 2005 Graham Collier Workpoints (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 215 2005 Mats/Morgan Band Thanks For Flying With Us CD
Rune 216 2005 NDIO Airback CD Hugh Hopper guests
Rune 217 11 Oct 2005 The Claudia Quintet Semi-Formal CD, DL
Rune 218 2005 Forgas Band Phenomena Soleil 12 CD
Rune 219 20 Sep 2005 Djam Karet Recollection Harvest CD, DL
Rune 220 2006 Univers Zero Live CD
Rune 221 31 Jan 2006 Ahleuchatistas What You Will CD, DL
Rune 222 2006 Richard Leo Johnson The Legend of Vernon McAlister CD
Rune 223 2006 Ray Russell Goodbye Svengali CD
Rune 224 2006 Zaar Zaar CD
Rune 225 2006 The Ed Palermo Big Band Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance CD feat. music of Frank Zappa
Rune 226 2006 Hamster Theatre The Public Execution of Mister Personality (disc 1) CD
Rune 227 2006 Hamster Theatre Quasi Day Room: Live at the Moore Theatre (disc 2) CD live at Progman Cometh 2002
Rune 228 2006 Richard Pinhas Metatron (disc 1) CD
Rune 229 2006 Richard Pinhas Metatron (disc 2) CD
Rune 230 2006 Soft Machine Grides (disc 1) CD recorded 25 October 1970
Rune 231 2006 Soft Machine Grides (disc 2) DVD filmed 23 March 1971
Rune 232 2006 Mujician There's No Going Back Now CD
Rune 233 2006 Harry Miller's Isipingo Which Way Now CD
Rune 234 2006 NeBeLNeST ZePTO CD
Rune 235 2006 Soft Machine Middle Earth Masters CD
Rune 236 2006 The Microscopic Septet Seven Men in Neckties (disc 1) CD
Rune 237 2006 The Microscopic Septet Seven Men in Neckties (disc 2) CD
Rune 238 2006 The Microscopic Septet Surreal Swing (disc 1) CD
Rune 239 2006 The Microscopic Septet Surreal Swing (disc 2) CD
Rune 240 2007 Hugh Hopper Hopper Tunity Box CD, DL
Rune 241 19 Sep 2006 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic with Oral Moses Extreme Spirituals CD, DL
Rune 242 2007 The Mahavishnu Project Return To The Emerald Beyond (disc 1) CD
Rune 243 2007 The Mahavishnu Project Return To The Emerald Beyond (disc 2) CD
Rune 244 2007 Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores The Blind Spot CD
Rune 245 2007 Upsilon Acrux Galapagos Momentum CD
Rune 246 2006 Far Corner Endangered CD
Rune 247 05 Jun 2007 The Claudia Quintet For CD, DL
Rune 248 2007 Larval/Bill Brovold Surviving Death/Alive Why? (disc 1) CD
Rune 249 2007 Larval/Bill Brovold Surviving Death/Alive Why? (disc 2) CD
Rune 250 2007 Steve Lacy Roswell Rudd Quartet Early and Late (disc 1) CD
Rune 251 2007 Steve Lacy Roswell Rudd Quartet Early and Late (disc 2) CD
Rune 252 16 Jan 2007 Graham Collier Hoarded Dreams CD, DL
Rune 253 2007 Steve Miller/Lol Coxhill Coxhill/Miller Miller/Coxhill (disc 1) CD
Rune 254 2007 Steve Miller/Lol Coxhill The Story So Far..Oh Really? (disc 2) CD
Rune 255 2007 Vinny Golia, Aurora Josephson, Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Joe Morris, Damon Smith, Weasel Walter Healing Force: The Songs of Albert Ayler CD
Rune 256 2007 Radio Massacre International Rain Falls in Grey CD
Rune 257 2007 Time of Orchids Namesake Caution CD
Rune 258 2007 Richard Leo Johnson & Gregg Bendian Who Knew Charlie Shoe? CD
Rune 259 30 Sep 2008 Deus ex Machina Imparis (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 260 30 Sep 2008 Deus ex Machina Imparis (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 261 18 Sep 2007 Ahleuchatistas Even In the Midst... CD, DL
Rune 262 29 Jan 2008 Chris McGregor's Brotherhood of Breath Eclipse At Dawn CD, DL
Rune 263 13 May 2008 Cosmologic Eyes In The Back of My Head CD, DL
Rune 264 29 Jan 2008 Beat Circus Dreamland CD, DL
Rune 265 2008 Mats/Morgan Band Heat Beats Live + Tourbook 1991-2007 (disc 1) CD
Rune 266 2008 Mats/Morgan Band Heat Beats Live + Tourbook 1991-2007 (disc 2) CD
Rune 267 2008 Mats/Morgan Band Trends and Other Diseases CD
Rune 268 2008 Planeta Imaginario Biomasa CD
Rune 269 2008 Revolutionary Snake Ensemble Forked Tongue CD
Rune 270 2008 Wadada Leo Smith's Golden Quartet Tabligh CD
Rune 271 2008 Lars Hollmer Viandra CD
Rune 272 2008 The Microscopic Septet Lobster Leaps In CD
Rune 273 2008 Isotope Golden Section CD
Rune 274 30 Sep 2008 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Dawn of the Cycads (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 275 30 Sep 2008 Birdsongs of the Mesozoic Dawn of the Cycads (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 276 20 Jan 2009 Cheer-Accident Fears Draws Misfortune CD, DL
Rune 277 2009 Fast 'N' Bulbous Waxed Oop CD
Rune 278 2009 Richard Pinhas & Merzbow Keio Line (disc 1) CD
Rune 279 2009 Richard Pinhas & Merzbow Keio Line (disc 2) CD
Rune 280 2009 Univers Zero Relaps (Archives 1984-1986) CD
Rune 281 2009 Gutbucket A Modest Proposal CD
Rune 282 2009 Forgas Band Phenomena L'axe du fou/Axis of Madness CD
Rune 283 2009 Led Bib Sensible Shoes CD
Rune 284 2009 Upsilon Acrux Radian Futura CD
Rune 285 2009 The Ed Palermo Big Band Eddy Loves Frank CD
Rune 286 2009 Positive Catastrophe Garabatos Volume One CD
Rune 287 2009 Zevious After The Air Raid CD
Rune 288 2009 Miriodor Avanti CD
Rune 289 06 Oct 2009 Ergo Multitude, Solitude CD, DL
Rune 290 2009 Wadada Leo Smith Spiritual Dimensions (disc 1) CD
Rune 291 2009 Wadada Leo Smith Spiritual Dimensions (disc 2) CD
Rune 292 29 Sep 2009 Jason Adasiewicz's Rolldown Varmint CD, LP, DL ex-Living By Lanterns
Rune 293 02 Feb 2010 Brown vs. Brown Odds and Unevens CD, DL
Rune 294 01 Mar 2009 Beat Circus Boy From Black Mountain CD, DL
Rune 295 2010 Univers Zero Clivages CD
Rune 296 2010 Ideal Bread Transmit Vol.2 The Music of Steve Lacy CD
Rune 297 26 Jan 2010 Algernon Ghost Surveillance CD, DL
Rune 298 2010 Radio Massacre International Time & Motion (disc 1) CD
Rune 299 2010 Radio Massacre International Time & Motion (disc 2) CD
Rune 300 2010 New York Art Quartet Old Stuff CD
Rune 301 2010 Mats/Morgan Band The Music or the Money? (disc 1) CD
Rune 302 2010 Mats/Morgan Band The Music or the Money? (disc 2) CD
Rune 303 18 May 2010 Curlew A Beautiful Western Saddle CD + DVD, DL
Rune 304 2010 Curlew The Hardwood CD
Rune 305 2010 Soft Machine NDR Jazz Workshop (disc 1) CD recorded May 17, 1973
Rune 306 2010 Soft Machine NDR Jazz Workshop (disc 2) DVD
Rune 307 18 May 2010 The Claudia Quintet with Gary Versace Royal Toast CD, DL
Rune 308 2010 Richard Pinhas Metal/Crystal (disc 1) CD
Rune 309 2010 Richard Pinhas Metal/Crystal (disc 2) CD
Rune 310 2010 The Microscopic Septet Friday the 13th: The Micros Play Monk CD
Rune 311 2010 Jason Robinson The Two Faces of Janus CD
Rune 312 2010 Uz Jsme Doma Jeskyne (Caves) CD
Rune 313 2010 Univers Zero Heresie CD
Rune 314 2011 Led Bib Bring Your Own CD
Rune 315 2011 John Surman Flashpoint: NDR Workshop (disc 1) CD
Rune 316 2011 John Surman Flashpoint: NDR Workshop (disc 2) DVD
Rune 317 25 Jan 2011 Carlos DeRosa's Cross-fade Brain Dance CD, DL
Rune 318 2011 Planeta Imaginario Optical Delusions CD
Rune 319 2011 Gösta Berlings Saga Glue Works CD
Rune 320 2011 Thinking Plague Decline and Fall CD
Rune 321 2011 Gutbucket Flock CD
Rune 322 2011 Michael Gibbs & The NDR Bigband Back in the Days CD
Rune 323 27 Sep 2011 Dead Cat Bounce Chance Episodes CD. DL
Rune 324 31 May 2011 Afuche Highly Publicized Digital Boxing Match CD, DL
Rune 325 2011 São Paulo Underground Tres Cabecas Loucuras CD
Rune 326 31 May 2011 Cheer-Accident No Ifs Ands or Dogs CD, DL
Rune 327 11 Oct 2011 The Claudia Quintet What Is the Beautiful? CD, DL
Rune 328 2011 Richard Pinhas & Merzbow Rhizome CD
Rune 329 2011 Richard Pinhas & Merzbow Paris 2008 CD
Rune 330 2011 Wadada Leo Smith's Organic Heart's Reflections (disc 1) CD
Rune 331 2011 Wadada Leo Smith's Organic Heart's Reflections (disc 2) CD
Rune 332 2011 Forgas Band Phenomena Acte V (disc 1) CD
Rune 333 2011 Forgas Band Phenomena Acte V (disc 2) CD
Rune 334 2011 Joel Harrison, Lorenzo Feliciati, Cuong Vu, Roy Powell, Dan Weiss Holy Abyss CD
Rune 335 2011 Bill Laswell/Raoul Björkenheim/Morgan Ågren Blixt CD
Rune 336 2011 Positive Catastrophe Dibrujo, Dibrujo, Dibrujo CD
Rune 337 2011 Mats/Morgan Band Live CD
Rune 338 2012 Janel & Anthony Where Is Home CD
Rune 339 14 Feb 2012 Ergo If Not Inertia CD, DL
Rune 340 2012 Lars Hollmer With Floury Hand (disc 1) CD
Rune 341 2012 Lars Hollmer With Floury Hand (disc 2) CD
Rune 342 2012 Pixel Reminder CD
Rune 343 2012 Steve Moore Light Echoes CD
Rune 344 2012 Alec K. Redfearn and The Eyesores Sister Death CD
Rune 345 2012 Living By Lanterns New Myth/Old Science CD
Rune 346 2012 Jason Robinson, JD Parran, Marty Ehrlich, Marcus Rojas, Bill Lowe, Liberty Ellman, Drew Gress, George Schuller, Ches Smith Symmetry CD
Rune 347 25 Sep 2012 Ahleuchatistas Heads Full of Poison CD, DL
Rune 348 2012 Christian Marclay, Toshio Kajiwara, DJ Olive 21 September 2002 Hirshhorn Museum CD
Rune 349 2013 Rob Mazurek Octet Skull Sessions CD
Rune 350 2013 Wadada Leo Smith Ten Freedom Summers (disc 1) CD
Rune 351 2013 Wadada Leo Smith Ten Freedom Summers (disc 2) CD
Rune 352 2013 Wadada Leo Smith Ten Freedom Summers (disc 3) CD
Rune 353 2013 Wadada Leo Smith Ten Freedom Summers (disc 4) CD
Rune 354 2013 Guapo History of the Visitation (disc 1) CD
Rune 355 2013 Guapo History of the Visitation (disc 2) CD
Rune 356 2013 Curtis Hasselbring Number Stations CD, DL
Rune 357 2013 Dylan Rand, Sand Sky Bleached CD, DL
Rune 358 2013 Kandinsky Effect Synesthesia CD, DL
Rune 359 04 Jun 2013 São Paulo Underground Beija Flors Velho e Sujo LP, CD, DL
Rune 360 2013 S.O.S. Looking For The Next One (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 361 2013 S.O.S. Looking For The Next One (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 362 2013 Mats/Morgan Band Radio Da Da/The Teenage Tapes (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 363 2013 Mats/Morgan Band Radio Da Da/The Teenage Tapes (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 364 04 Jun 2013 Blue Cranes Swim CD, LP, DL
Rune 365 21 Jan 2014 Mary Halvorson, Michael Formanek, Tomas Fujiwara Thumbscrew CD, DL
Rune 366 2013 Richard Pinhas Desolation Row CD, DL
Rune 367 2013 Zevious Passing Through the Wall CD, DL
Rune 368 2013 Miriodor Cobra Fakir LP, CD, DL
Rune 369 08 Oct 2013 Chrome Hoof Chrome Black Gold LP, CD, DL
Rune 370 27 May 2014 The Microscopic Septet Manhattan Moonrise CD, DL
Rune 371 2013 Tatvamasi Parts of the Entirety CD, DL
Rune 372 08 Oct 2013 Pixel We Are All Small Pixels CD, DL
Rune 373 21 Jan 2014 Raoul Björkenheim/eCsTaSy eCsTaSy CD, DL
Rune 374 21 Jan 2014 Sonar Static Motion CD, DL
Rune 375 08 Oct 2013 Robert Wyatt 68 LP, CD, DL
Rune 376 14 Oct 2014 The Cellar and Point Ambit CD, DL
Rune 377 24 Sep 2013 The Claudia Quintet September CD, DL
Rune 378 13 May 2014 Led Bib The People in Your Neighborhood CD, DL
Rune 379 13 May 2014 Led Bib The Good Egg LP, CD, DL
Rune 380 04 Feb 2014 The Ed Palermo Big Band Oh No! Not Jazz!! (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 381 04 Feb 2014 The Ed Palermo Big Band Oh No! Not Jazz!! (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 382 04 Feb 2014 Present Triskaidekaphobie CD, DL
Rune 383 04 Feb 2014 Present Le Poison Qui Rend Fou (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 384 04 Feb 2014 Present Le Poison Qui Rend Fou (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 385 27 May 2014 Mats/Morgan Band [Schack Tati] CD, DL
Rune 386 13 May 2014 Ideal Bread Beating the Teens (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 387 13 May 2014 Ideal Bread Beating the Teens (disc 2) CD, DL
Rune 388 27 May 2014 Richard Pinhas & Oren Ambarchi Tikkun (disc 1) CD, DL
Rune 389 27 May 2014 Richard Pinhas & Oren Ambarchi Tikkun (disc 2) DVD
Rune 390 13 May 2014 Joel Harrison Mother Stump CD, DL
Rune 391 27 May 2014 Richard Pinhas & Yoshida Tatsuya Welcome in the Void CD, DL
Rune 392 Mike Osborne 'Dawn' CD, DL
Rune 393 Happy Family Minimal Gods CD
Rune 394 Jonathan Badger Verse CD, LP
Rune 395 Soft Machine Switzerland 1974 (disc 1) CD
Rune 396 Soft Machine Switzerland 1974 (disc 2) DVD
Rune 397 Dylan Ryan/Sand Circa CD
Rune 398 Anthony Pirog/Michael Formanek/Ches Smith Palo Colorado Dream CD
Rune 399 Rob Mazurek/Black Cube SP Return The Tides: Ascension Suite & Holy Ghost CD, LP featuring members of São Paulo Underground
Rune 400 Michael Gibbs/NDR Bigband Play A Bill Frisell Setlist CD
Rune 401 Michael Gibbs/NDR Bigband In My View CD
Rune 402 Schnellertollermeier X CD
Rune 403 Henry Kaiser/Ray Russell The Celestial Squid CD
Rune 404 Guapo Obscure Knowledge CD, LP
Rune 405 Gary Lucas Music from the Max Fleischer Cartoons CD
Rune 406 Adam Rudolph/GO: Organic Guitar Orchestra Turning Toward The Light CD
Rune 407 Thinking Plague In This Life CD 25th anniversary remaster
Rune 408 The Kandinsky Effect Sonambulist CD
Rune 409 Rob Mazurek, Exploding Star Orchestra Galactic Parables, Volume 1 (disc 1) CD
Rune 410 Rob Mazurek, Exploding Star Orchestra Galactic Parables, Volume 1 (disc 2) CD
Rune 411 Le Rex Wild Man
Rune 412 Pixel Golden Years CD, LP
Rune 413 Raoul Björkenheim/Ecstasy Out Of The Blue CD
Rune 414 Sonar Black Light CD, LP
Rune 415 Thumbscrew: Mary Halvorson/Michael Formanek/Tomas Fujiwara Convalaria CD
Rune 416 Empirical Connection CD
Rune 417 20 May, 2016 Bent Knee Say So CD, DL
Rune 418 Naima Bye CD, LP
Rune 419 Ergo As Subtle As Tomorrow CD
Rune 420 The Ed Palermo Big Band One Child Left Behind CD
Rune 421 Thinking Plague Hoping Against Hope CD
Rune 422 I.P.A. I Just Did Say Something CD
Rune 423 São Paulo Underground Cantos Invisiveis CD
Rune 424 Rez Abbasi/Junction Behind The Vibration CD
Rune 425 Microscopic Septet Been Up So Long It Looks Like Down To Me: The Micros Play The Blues CD
Rune 426 Richard Pinhas/Barry Cleveland/Michael Manring/Celso Alberti Mu CD
Rune 427 The Claudia Quintet Super Petite CD
Rune 428 Chicago/London Underground A Night Walking Through Mirrors CD featuring Rob Mazurek
Rune 429 Deus Ex Machina Devoto CD
Rune 430 Wadada Leo Smith America's National Parks (disc 1) CD
Rune 431 Wadada Leo Smith America's National Parks (disc 2) CD
Rune 432 Richard Pinhas/Tatsuya Yoshida/Masami Akita (Merzbow) Process and Reality CD
Rune 433 The Great Harry Hillman Tilt CD
Rune 434 Bubblemath Edit Peptide CD
Rune 435 The Ed Palermo Big Band The Great Un-American Songbook Volumes I & II (disc 1) CD
Rune 436 The Ed Palermo Big Band The Great Un-American Songbook Volumes I & II (disc 2) CD
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Rune 438 Miriodor Signal 9 CD
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Rune 446 Cheer Accident Putting Off Death CD, LP
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Archival releases

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Note: The first few reissues came out as "Wayside Music Archive Series" releases

No. Year Artist(s) Title Format Notes
55001/WMAS1 1990 Happy The Man 3rd: Better Late... CD recorded 1979
55001/WMAS2 01 Jan 1990 Doctor Nerve Did Sprinting Die? CD, DL live 6/14/1989
55003/WMAS3 1990 Happy The Man Beginnings CD recorded 1974 & 1975
55004/WMAS4 1990 The Muffins Manna/Mirage CD originally released 1978
55005 01 Jan 1994 Cartoon Sortie CD, DL reissues Cartoon (1981) and Music from Left Field (1983)
55006/WMAS6 1991 Hugh Hopper Band Meccano Pelorus CD recorded 1987 & 1989
55007 1993 The Muffins Chronometers CD recorded 1975 & 76
55008 1993 Grits As The World Grits CD recorded 1970-1975
55009 1995 Steve Tibbetts Steve Tibbetts CD originally released 1977
55010 1994 The Muffins Open City CD originally released 1985
55011 1993 various artists Transforms: The Nerve Events Project CD 25 artists compose using samples from Doctor Nerve's Beta 14 OK release
55012 1997 Grits Rare Birds CD recorded 1976
55013 1996 The Muffins <185> CD originally released 1981
55014 1997 Happy The Man Live CD recorded July 1, 1978 at The Cellar Door, Washington DC and October 8, 1978 at Louie's Rock City, Bailey's Crossroads, VA
55015 1999 Happy The Man Death's Crown CD recorded in 1974 & 1976
Rune 1313 2008 Univers Zero Univers Zero (1313) CD originally released 1977

Samplers

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No. Year Artist(s) Title Format
9001 2000 various artists Canterbury & Beyond: Selected Runes CD
9002 2002 various artists An Introduction to Cuneiform Records: Selections from All of Our 2002 Releases and More CD
Promo 1 2003 various artists Cuneiform Records Promo No.1 CD
Promo 2 2004 various artists Cuneiform Progressive 2 CD
Promo 3 2005 various artists Cuneiform Records Sampler 3 CD
Sampler 1 2006 various artists Wayside Sampler CD
Sampler 2 2007 various artists Wayside Sampler #2 CD
Sampler 3 2007 various artists Wayside Sampler #3 CD
Sampler 4 2008 various artists Wayside Sampler #4 CD
Sampler 5 2008 various artists Wayside Sampler #5 CD
Sampler 6 2009 various artists Wayside Sampler #6 CD

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Artists

Artists who have released albums or reissues on the label:[2]

References

References

  1. ^ Hidden Hills
  2. ^ "ARTISTS | CUNEIFORM RECORDS". cuneiformrecords.com. Retrieved 9 August 2016.

discussion

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I fail to see how a list of artists is adjudged to be unencyclopedic. What artists the label releases is essential to even a basic understanding of what the label is and does, and is standard practice on virtually every existing label article. Why the exception here? Chubbles (talk) 22:14, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROMO, which is policy, says Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery. All article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources, so articles about very small "garage" or local companies are typically unacceptable. Wikipedia articles about a company or organization are not an extension of their website or other social media marketing efforts. External links to commercial organizations are acceptable if they identify notable organizations which are the topic of the article. Wikipedia neither endorses organizations nor runs affiliate programs. See also Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for guidelines on corporate notability. Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so. Contributors must disclose any payments they receive for editing Wikipedia. See also Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.
Please note the bolded part -- Wikipedia articles about a company or organization are not an extension of their website.
What we do here is describe, in an encyclopedic manner. Another part of the WP:NOT policy is that WP is not WP:NOTCATALOG. -- Jytdog (talk) 22:15, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is not an explanation. A list of artists is not an extension of the label's website. (We can remove the link if it irks you, and place it where it belongs, in an external links section). It is inherently encyclopedic information about the label. Chubbles (talk) 22:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is an exact answer. The content above is a catalog - this is stuff for the label's website. Describing the kinds or artists they publish is the kind of thing we do here, not listing all of them or every record they released. Please do read WP:NOT. Jytdog (talk) 22:19, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Let's pretend I'm familiar with WP:NOT now, since, even if I had never read it before after ten years on the site, I have been pointed to it several times already in this conversation. The full list of albums might conceivably contravene WP:NOTCATALOG, though we do have (near-)full discographical catalogues for some important labels; I will not argue here that Cuneiform is that important. A full list of artists is a succinct, bounded, relevant list which provides direct and neutral information about the label and the cultural milieu in which it is situated. It does not contravene WP:NOTCATALOG point 1 (not loosely associated with the label), points 2 or 3 (not relevant), point 4 (not a schedule of releases, as it includes current and past artists, and is not trivial, like including every record store where the label's records are for sale), point 5 (no sales information included), point 6 (not relevant), or point 7 (the list's context is appropriate since it constitutes the primary activity which makes the label notable - releasing albums by important bands). A description of the kinds of artists is a start and should of course be done, but it is not sufficient to encyclopedically capture the full range of the label's activities. Chubbles (talk) 22:33, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is kind of interesting wikilawyery argument ... but the spirit of the thing! This just turns this page in Wikipedia into a host for this page of the Cuneiform website. That is not what WP is for. I understand there are wide swaths of WP that have turned into fancruft where people do what they can instead of what they should do, which is provide enduring encyclopedic knowledge.. not catalog listings. I am thinking of nominating this for deletion in any case. If this label is so trivial that all we do is to copy their website, it doesn't belong here. Jytdog (talk) 23:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, I think the list is very much in the spirit of the website. (I was making sure I was understanding your concerns, point by point.) The list allows you to click through to the artist pages, of which we have dozens, and gives a much more robust sense of what musical scenes the label has fostered than a short list of musical genres can do. That is important and enduring work (well, hopefully enduring, assuming the article is not nommed for deletion. Silly me, I returned The ultimate guide to independent record labels and artists : an A-to-Z source of great music by Norman Schreiber, Pharos, 1992, to the library not long ago, before adding its entry on Cuneiform here.) Since we are WP:NOTPAPER, the length of the list is irrelevant; the chief crime here seems to be that the label has managed not to go out of business yet (some 35 years in) and has done us the service of keeping a comprehensive list on its own website, something few other labels ever do (which is why discography is an academic discipline and was a nightmarish task for the amateurs who took it up before the academy did). Chubbles (talk) 23:27, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was waiting to see if an AfD would, in fact, materialize; not sure if you are still considering it. I regard it as somewhat bad form to gut an article of its content and then nominate a stub, but so far as I know I am alone in that sensibility, as I have seen it often at AfD. Nevertheless, the value of the removed artist list is still at issue (I will leave the discographical information for some other time and, perhaps, some other person). Chubbles (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I said I am thinking about it. Since we don't agree about what WP is and is not (this is a pretty fundamental policy difference) we should probably pursue some sort of DR. RfC? Jytdog (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you take the list of artists - lists of artists signed to a record label, in general - as inherently unencyclopedic, then yes, an RfC is probably a good idea (or a discussion at Wikiproject Music or some such). I'll be on vacation starting tonight for the next week-plus, with rather infrequent sign-in likelihood, so if there is an AfD I may be somewhat slow to participate. Chubbles (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Let's start with the RfC. Shall we ask for comment only on the list of artists, or the catalog as well? Jytdog (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of the Cuneiform catalog here: the point is, this information *IS NOT* available on Cuneiform's website, and I had to collate data from a dozen or more sources to pull together the table. Even the label's founder, Steven Feigenbaum, could not help me create the table. I agree, the "list of artists" (created by somebody else, I might add) is duplicated on the website and I'd be okay with dropping that, if you think the bits are best saved. But the catalog l;isting falls right in line with many many similar Wikipedia catalog listings of small independent labels (viz. ECM, Obscure, etc.) so I don't see why Cuneiform is being singled out for deletion simply because it's not your style of music, perhaps?Rcarlberg (talk)
Incidentally, you threaten to delete the whole listing for notability but this has been discussed before (Articles_for_deletion/Cuneiform_Records) and I thought settled. Must every new editor start fresh with no history?Rcarlberg (talk) 02:32, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

the last AfD was 8 years ago. Things are different now and there is less tolerance for marginally notable articles that are plagued with promotionalism. It is not a threat; it is just that rather than dealing with the timesuck of fans (or companies) who hijack pages and will not even follow DR, the trend has been to delete them. Wikipedia is not a fansite or a proxy for the label. As I said we can do an RfC if that is what it takes but if you will not do that, then an AfD is the way to go. Jytdog (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is this your personal opinion, or can you point me to something that documents it?Rcarlberg (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The characterization of the label as "marginally notable" is untenable - Cuneiform is one of the more noteworthy avant-garde labels in the business, which generates its own coverage in addition to that of its roster (e.g., Washington City Paper ([1]), Brooklyn Vegan ([2], [3]), Takoma Voice ([4]).) Any article acts as promotion; Disney's article is promotional - it cannot but be promotional, because of Wikipedia's reach and prominence. However, it is also encyclopedic. So, too, with, at minimum, a basic list of artists the label carries; whatever promotional effect this incidentally carries is outweighed by its basic functionality as encyclopedic and relevant information. (The catalogue does this, too - but one fight at a time, as far as I'm concerned.) I don't listen to Cuneiform artists - much too outre for my plebeian tastes - but I recognize the important informational function that pages such as this (or, what this page was until a few days ago) serve to those interested in the music the label carries. Why do you insist on denigrating this as fancruft? Chubbles (talk) 14:31, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Are we going to have an RfC to resolve the lists or not? Chubbles wants to keep the artist list, Rcarlbarg has argued to keep the list of records and has acknowledged that the compilation exists only here and is his act of WP:OR). Both, or one of them? Jytdog (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, is there any way with Wikipedia articles to see how many views they've had? That might tell you if the Cuneiform Records page is getting used or not.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:39, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
yes: [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.15.229.22 (talk) 00:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, classifying my article as "original research" is totally inaccurate. What I did was collate online resources -- which is the bread & butter of Wikipedia. I did not <ref> every time I found information because that would be unreadable and unnecessary, especially for online data which is not likely to be disputable.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:43, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say anything about "your" article, I talked about the content you added. And please do read WP:OR. We don't build new things here - we summarize existing things.
I will just go ahead and launch the RfC. Jytdog (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RfC - Catalogs of artists and releases for record label

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On the talk page above, you will find tables of a) artists that release through this record label and b) a list of releases.

Should these be in the article? Jytdog (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

!votes

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  • Neither list should be in the article. This page has been hijacked to serve as a proxy for the record label website on the one hand, a personal webproxy for the other in which had editor has built a catalog that apparently only exists here. This is not encyclopedic content and Wikipedia is not a catalog. Relevant policies are WP:OR, WP:PROMO, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and WP:NOTCATALOG. Wikipedia of course can be used this way, but it shouldn't be. Jytdog (talk) 20:53, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I vote both stay. You can't have it both ways -- either Wikipedia presents information that isn't reproduced elsewhere, or "We don't build new things here - we summarize existing things." These statements are mutually incompatible.Rcarlberg (talk) 20:57, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove catalog, prosify artists. I came here from the RfC notice, but I first became aware of the discussion because I watchlist Jytdog's talkpage. It seems to me that the relevant guidance is at WP:LWA, MOS:EMBED, and WP:LSC. I think that the catalog goes way beyond the style guidelines in terms of its sheer length, and because there appears to be no selection criteria beyond simply being issued by the company. Consequently, it looks like a catalog of what they sell, even if it is not actually copied from their sales list, and that goes against the spirit of WP:NOTADVERT. In looking at the page edit history, I see that the version before the catalog was added is this. I think that it is appropriate for the page to include artists who record for the label, although I don't think that we should list every single one. It might make sense to only include those who are notable enough to have bio pages, and it would be better if the information were presented in prose-paragraph form, instead of as a list. Again, I am basing this on WP:LWA, MOS:EMBED, and WP:LSC. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:55, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The prosifying idea is one I hadn't heard before, and it seems as if it may make the artist list less usable, though it might have the advantage of adding more context about what the artists are like. But for a label like Cuneiform, you're talking about artists that often cut across genre and style lines, which makes putting them into neat boxes for a prose summary ("x-genre artists like A, B, C, y-genre artists like D, E, F, etc.") much more difficult. Such a prose summary might become unwieldy, and a simple flat list (as is common on most record label pages at current) is something I, at least, find much more user-friendly (but please weigh in, others who use such lists). As for which artists are included, I have long held that a full list of artists is encyclopedic; WP:NNC suggests that notability does not apply to content within articles, and the list is bounded, finite, and informative (though long for such a longstanding label) - though of course this does not suggest that every artist in the list should have an article written, nor that adding to this page voluminous information about artists with no article would be a good idea. Chubbles (talk) 05:33, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because there is a similar response below in the discussion section, I'll reply to both of you there. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep somewhere. It doesn't much matter if they're on this article's page or in a separate article (on Wikipedia, not data), linked to in the usual way from this article. An "editor has built a catalog that apparently only exists here": congratulations to that editor! Great work! That's a wonderful service for an encyclopedia to offer. It's obviously not original research; it's taking information that's publicly available and collating it: collation, not OR. Promo, webhost, etc: how could any list of commercial products be created if that were to be a reason for removal? There must be thousands of such articles on here (discographies, books published, films released, video games released...). Here's a list from 60secs of searching for Wikipedia articles with a discog like the one here: Verve Records discography, Apple Records discography, List of Taurus Records albums, Hollywood Records discography, Cash Money Records discography. There are also plenty of articles that have the discography as part of the label/company's article. In other words, this is a well-established and accepted practice. EddieHugh (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in separate article, apologies for being late to the party. And I would only mention the most notable artists here, no extended list. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

discussion

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That response is typical advocacy and what we call WP:POINTY. Jytdog (talk) 21:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Are you claiming there's no bias in your RfC?Rcarlberg (talk) 21:56, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wild claims of bias are another thing that advocates do when their policy-violating content is challenged. I have work to do here and in the RW and will not respond here further. Jytdog (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly sure what makes my claim of bias "wild," when you want to unilaterally overturn an 8-year old editorial decision and delete a catalog which is nearly identical to another popular and long-standing catalog, and the only "policy" you point to as justification states (essentially) "The world isn't fair. Deal with it."Rcarlberg (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tryptofish - I don't think making a prose list of artists on Cuneiform will work. For one, there are almost 160 of them, second most of them have their own Wiki articles, and third it's impossible to describe instrumental music in words. Cuneiform is one of those rare record labels (like ECM, Obscure, Impulse, Cinema, Blue Note, etc.) where the label identity unifies the artists; where if you like one release you are likely to enjoy other releases and other artists on the same label. Cuneiform's own website promotes current releases, but as a small independent label not everything is kept in print. The substantial used market for out-of-print releases is of no concern to the label, so they do nothing to document them. I always found this frustrating, so I took it upon myself to collate the release history from dozens of sources (Amazon, Discogs, Bandcamp, AllMusic, Wayside, and so forth) and present it in a sortable table making it easy to, for instance, see how many releases are available from each artist. I've gotten a lot of positive feedback from other Cuneiform listeners (we're a small but tightknit group). I see this sort of information (organized, collated, made searchable) as the best use of Wikipedia. In my viewpoint -- admittedly biased -- editors should concern themselves with removing questionable or biased or advocacy entries, and leave "pure" data to the SMEs (subject matter experts).Rcarlberg (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Replying both to you and to Chubbles, I'll start with a general comment that it will be helpful to hear what other uninvolved editors will say during the course of this RfC. There are various options that I think could work for figuring how a prose description would work. I agree that it would work poorly to try to write about every musical genre. However, I see that some artists have made their original releases on this label, whereas others have been reissues. So one approach would be something approximately like: "In the early days of the label, [names] were some of the artists who first recorded for Cuneiform. Later, [names] also premiered on this label. Other artists, including [names], have had reissues issued by Cuneiform." You could of course expand that if there is more to do with early-versus-later. You might even organize it by decade. You could then have something approximately like: "These assorted musicians have characterized Cuneiform's position as a provider of [description]. In addition, other artists who have recorded for the label include [names]." In this way, you can actually contain many artists' names in the prose, and you are helping readers understand Cuneiform as a company. As for the best use of Wikipedia, it isn't really serving as a supplemental source of information for buyers, per WP:NOTADVERT. Rather, it is providing readers with an understanding of what the company is and how it works, as an encyclopedia rather than as a fan site. As for the notability issues, of course WP:NNC applies, but WP:CSC is more to the point here: lists typically are subject to selection criteria and would either have only notable entries or only non-notable ones, and complete lists containing both need to be kept short. Here, as an embedded list, it makes sense to focus on notable artists. However, you have another option as well. As with the example of ECM just above, you could omit the list from this page, and instead have a separate page with a standalone list (but that list would have to satisfy stricter notability requirements – if, like ECM, that would work, it would be a good option, and if the ECM list is notable but a Cuneiform list would not be, that should be telling you something.) WP:LWA and MOS:EMBED should be helpful in deciding between an embedded list and a standalone page. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If moving the list (and, perhaps, the catalog, as well) to a standalone article is a solution other parties can agree to, I have no qualms there; where the information is located is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned, but the rub seems instead to be over whether the information contained in the artist list and/or the catalog list ought to be on any page. Chubbles (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The problem here is that notability seems to be entirely in the eye of the beholder. Who's to say the next editor with a Napoleon complex won't make the same decision again, another 8 years down the road?Rcarlberg (talk) 16:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally at one point I had made the table hidden, as a compromise to the "separate page" option. That got deleted without discussion too.Rcarlberg (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have three suggestions. (1) If the move to a standalone list sounds like a good idea, great, go ahead with that. (2) If not, wait and see what other feedback comes from this RfC. (3) Take back that comment about a Napoleon complex. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Don't make me regret it, or I won't take back the Napoleon crack :) Rcarlberg (talk) 03:38, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I take it that the issue of what goes on this page is resolved? Jytdog (talk) 08:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so yet, Jytdog, others may yet want to comment. (such as myself, I want to look further into this). If we're commenting on record labels in general, it should probably be noted that what works for this label (Cuneiform) may not be appropriate for other labels, say Paramount Records. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep both or keep list of artists and move discography to Wikidata or it's really complicated. To start, has WikiProject Discographies been notified? They usually deal with artist discographies, not label discographies, but I think their input would be relevant. I'll try, promise, to organize my thoughts on this, but they're all over the place. Thought the first: We need to be careful about what we consider encyclopedic. Discussions around these types these arguments often are based on [[WP:ILIKEIT] or WP:IDL. I often see people argue to remove this information because they have no interest in the topic, and can't see how it is useful to anyone. I've undoubtedly, and may be here, fall into the opposite side because I have been collecting music and researching it my entire life, and can't tell you the number of times I've wished someone had done what the editors of this article have, which is to piece together information while it is still available, instead of 40 years later when information that was available is now long-gone. To me this is encyclopedic information, because it informs me of what the label issued, and the sequence in which it was issued. This information helps me understand the role the label had in shaping musical culture or sub-culture. Thought the second: Lists of the sort can be tricky. How can List of Walt Disney and Buena Vista video releases (since Disney is already a target here) be anything other than promotional? And again I'm really biased here. If I see a list of released of some web-only label from the last 2 years, I immediately think "delete as advertising", but were I to see a list of Grey Gull Records releases I'd think "Ain't Wikipedia Grand!?" Thought the third: Length is important. Do we really want a list of the hundreds of thousands of releases put out just by the US Columbia Records? So if a label had a short but notable history (Black Swan Records for instance) then perhaps a label discography would be helpful, but the aforementioned Columbia listing would be ridiculously cumbersome. This list doesn't seem too cumbersome, and it is nice that the two series have been separated. It makes sense to hat them, so that the article's appearance isn't overwhelmed by the list. I'm also fine with moving the information to WikiData, as long as that information is conspicuously linked to from this article. Thought the fourth: In general, I'd prefer to link to a discography website (under "external links") if it contains the information. However, none of the big three numerical listing websites list this label, not would they as it is too recent for them. It would best fit at Both Sides Now, but as there are CD-only releases that site would never include this information. If the complete information is at the label's website, then the "official site" link would be fine. In this case, there is a lot of out-of-print information not found on the company's current website, useful information for a music collector/researcher. I may have more "thoughts" later. If you've waded through all this, consider yourself warned! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As you think further, I'd be very interested in your thoughts about keeping embedded lists here at this page, versus splitting the lists out to standalone list pages. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:16, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, the RfC time period having passed, it seems like we are all more or less happy with the catalog being farmed out to a stand-alone page. I would like to restore the basic artist list here, with a section hatnote to the catalog article, if there is reasonably secure consensus that the artist list is also worth keeping. Chubbles (talk) 17:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is no consensus to restore the artist list. If the album list is split out, it will need content and sources added, showing that it meets WP:LISTN (which may be totally possible). But if that is not done, I will nominate it for deletion. Jytdog (talk) 00:43, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to do with above - for potential article improvement

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