Talk:Cue sports techniques

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Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

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Billiard techniques article split

Resolved

– Just an FYI.

[Moved from Talk:Cue sport after article split.]

In response to a number of requests for it, I moved the section of shooting techniques, and made an attempt to organize it. I am SURE it needs more work, but it should be easier to change now. I added a link to it in the normal (internal) links section.

This has of course long since become the Cue sports techniques article. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stroke and stance

Unresolved

– Article still needs coverage of these topics.

[Moved from Talk:Cue sport after article split.]

I want to add a section on stroke and stance with cues, but I don't know where to put it. Should it put it in the cue stick ~~section~~ [[Cue stick|article or in here? 70.111.251.203 14:48, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good topic for a new article. It's an exhaustive subject, requiring lots of photos or illustrations, so I don't think it could be adequately explained as a section of this article without taking up way too much space. I'd recommend getting a user name and starting a new article on it. Plenty of folks here would be glad to help. Kafziel 15:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there should probably be a seperate page for all billiard equipment, since I found some pages that weren't even linked to on this main page. Of course a short description of each item should be kept, but it'd be better organized on one whole article page. 128.6.176.51 20:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there should be seperate articles for the different kinds of shots in billiards, as well as a different page for position play, stance, stroke, Shooting techniques/mechanics. The article is too long by around 4 KB. 128.6.176.51 20:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any need for that much splitting. The Cue sports techniques article could handle all of these subtopics; see below. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 01:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Force-follow, and force-draw

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– Material restored.

Please refrain from removing these shot types. They are indeed as important as follow, and draw, if not well known. --Ben414 21:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Position

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– Material restored.

Please take the importance of the article in mind before editing it severely, or removing it. --21:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

First person

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I have'nt read the whole article, but in the "Force-follow" section it has this part: "I have used the force-follow when breaking and obtained two benefits...". This seems like it has been copyed from somewhere. We have to: check the sources, if we can continue with them then adjust the text and see if it has more parts written in the first person. Khullah (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just someone's drive-by comment; it's long since been removed. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:23, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stop/stun shot

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I don't think this part of the article is correct. I think this is a misconception that if one hits the ball in the centre and straight then the ball will stop dead, but this is actually definately not the case. Maybe if the ball is pretty close, and the player hits down on the ball, like they do in pool a lot, then a little backspin will be put on, but no way does the ball stop dead when hit straight. That is against basic laws of the physics, and it simply does not happen. The whole concept of a stop or stun shot is to put a little backspin on the ball to stop the momentum carrying the ball forwards. With a horizontal bridge that usually means hitting slightly below centre, with a more angled bridge hand that may mean hitting the centre (from a horizontal line) but what it says here simply defies physics and basic playing technique. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HandGrenadePins (talk • contribs) 09:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever was wrong with this section at the time of the report, it has long since been fixed; there are no physics errors in it as of this writing. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:48, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Obviously missing: caroms

This needs a section on the carom a.k.a. cannon shot, also (mostly formerly) sometimes simply called a billiard. The complexity of predicting the path of two spheres after their collision well enough to use a stationary ball to change the course of a rolling one to some desired, precise effect (usually continuing on to hit a third ball, often after contact with several rail cushions) is the entire basis of some cue sports like three-cushion billiards and an important element in others like English billiards. It's probably the most difficult cue sports technique to master. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 08:42, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]