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I never found a proof of Chetniks persecuting Jews. I have been investigating chetniks for a decade now and I have never seen a proof that chetniks were antisemites. They were anticommunist and that meant that they would kill anyone who was connected with communists, including Jews. But antisemitism among Chetniks is not proven. Using claims found in books that were written in 21st century is not a proof. Mr Hoare did not put proofs for his claims and he also tends to make up stories to prove his pseudoscientific theories. No individual case has been found in which chetniks persecuted Jews. I would like to see proofs. Their collaboration with Nazis included handing over prisoners, including Jews but that is not a proof of antisemitism. Article even claims correctly that Chetniks had Jews among their ranks so I am not sure how could anyone claim that Chetniks were anti-Semitic. This way this article is just a continuation of communist and nazi propaganda about chetniks. 188.120.100.74 (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment makes no reference to reliable sources, except to dismiss one that is clearly reliable (Hoare). There is of course also Lowenthal and Kovac (already cited in this article), The Holocaust Encyclopaedia, and the numerous well-documented anti-Semitic references in Chetnik propaganda at various stages. You have also mentioned a classic Nazi trope, which is the connection of communists with Jews, which is not based on the facts, but was a convenient scapegoating approach taken by Hitler, the Nazis and their collaborators (such as the Chetniks). Wikipedia is completely uninterested in your research unless you are a published academic (in which case what is written in your published works is what we would be discussing here), what you need here is reliable sources. If you have identified reliable sources that state that the Chetniks were not anti-Semitic and did not hand over Jews to the Germans, or issue anti-Semitic propaganda, then we could discuss how that alternative view might be incorporated into the various articles on the Chetniks. Short of that, I don't think there is much to discuss further. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please, do not connect me with nazis and impose nazi tropes on my ideas. That is an insult to me. It proves that you are not here to use arguments but to insult and impose wrong ideas just as you imposed antisemitism on chetniks. Probable cause is your anti serbian sentiment which prevails on english wikipedia. I stated that instances of chetniks killing jews had nothing to do with alleged antisemitism in chetniks but with anticommunist activities in which jews were also part as they were significant part of serbian population. Jews hided from holocaust in chetnik controlled territories. Jews were accepted in chetnik ranks. That sole fact proves there was no antisemitism among chetniks. There was no change in chetnik ideology regarding Jews in 1942. There are no proofs. Modern Academia is corrupted which is proven numerous times including antiserbian hysteria in english language publications about serbs. That gives me right to make my research as an individual. Mr Hoare made no proofs that chetniks were antisemites. His statement can not be taken as a proof. Mr Hoare has proved with making up facts, that his academic research is infected with his antiserbian sentiment that probably stems from his personal views about serbs or ongoing geopolitical and scientific battle between serbs and croats in which he obviously participates as he is personally connected with region. Without proofs that chetniks were antisemites and explanation why would antisemites hide jews, wikipedia articles about chetniks are just a continuation of propaganda wars. Probable purpose of antichetnik propaganda is relativisation of what nazis and communists did to Serbs as Chetnik crimes are stated as justification for antiserbian sentiment. Alleged antisemitism tries to prove nazi nature of chetniks, so imposing antisemitism on chetniks is just a bad effort to justify years of communist and Croat propaganda about chetniks. 89.216.31.148 (talk) 11:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
