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See this edit by me which included removal of a copyright violation from Tigray War, in which too much detail on the Chenna massacre was included in the main article. Some of the quotes and some of the information - not the verbatim or paraphrased text - from the source would be good to re-use here. See WP:COPYVIO if you're unsure of Wikipedia's expected standards, and WP:PARAPHRASE for why you can't just copy/paste and slightly change a few words. Boud (talk) 14:54, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Better to redirect to a separate conflict/casualties in Amhara Region

This was from September, no doubt more incidents will surface, better to redirect in an new article on events in Amhara Region. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The most difficult problem with this would be finding a reasonably short name that is accurate and not ambiguous. Massacres in the formally declared Amhara Region during the Tigray War is a bit too long. Problems include:

if "Amhara Region" is in the name, how would the reader know whether this includes or excludes the western part of Tigray Region that is historically disputed (on a many decades time scale) and is currently controlled by Amhara Region?
how would the title clarify that other Amhara region massacres, not directly linked to the Tigray War, are in other articles, not this one?

I guess a minimum requirement would be that the lead of the new article would have to define the scope, so that the reader would quickly find answers to these questions. Boud (talk) 18:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reworked, set as redirect

I read all the sources from this article and several other articles, compiled the basic information and re-posted it at Timeline of the Tigray War (July 2021–present)#Chenna massacre. There is too much wrong with this article to bother to fix it at this stage. For example, now-blocked editor Rastakwere added the concept of "Operation Sunrise" here and in several other articles; none with citations, and I find nothing about this alleged "Operation Sunrise". Too much emphasis on Dabat town and woreda, when the incident didn't happen there (that's where one of the hospitals was). The 200 death figure is an accusation by ENDF against TPLF/TDF and isn't borne out in any reliable sources. The final body count tally according to RS is around 125, coming from the medics and administrators at Dabat hospital.

The final writeup in Timeline article is:

Between 31 August and 4 September, Tigray Defence Forces (TDF) occupied the town of Chenna. In 15 separate incidents over those days, TDF soldiers summarily executed 26 civilians, mostly farmers who declined to slaughter their livestock to feed the fighters. The soldiers also shot at nearby Ethiopian troops from residential positions, drawing return fire on the residents. Doctors at the hospital in nearby Dabat town put the death toll at 125 and counting. The Ethiopian government accused the TPLF of massacring 200 civilians. TPLF denied the accusations.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]

I used the best six citations. I know it's a lot for a little paragraph, but I couldn't choose a smaller set because each one had something I thought should be kept. Platonk (talk) 05:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

^ "Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians". Human Rights Watch. 2021-12-09. Retrieved 2021-12-10.
^ Corey-Boulet, Robbie (8 September 2021). "Tigray rebels massacre 125 villagers in Ethiopia's Amhara: doctors". Agence France-Presse. Archived from the original on 2021-09-09. Retrieved 8 December 2021 – via Yahoo! News.
^ "Tigray forces killed 120 civilians in village in Amhara - Ethiopia officials". Reuters. 2021-09-09. Retrieved 2021-12-09.
^ "At scene of Ethiopia's new killings, some fight, some flee". AP News. 2021-09-10. Retrieved 2021-12-10.
^ "Stench of death: villagers flee site of Ethiopia mass killings". France 24. 2021-09-15. Retrieved 2021-12-09.
^ Dahir, Abdi Latif (December 10, 2021). "Tigray Rebels Executed Dozens of Civilians, Report Says". New York Times. Archived from the original on 2021-12-10.

Respectfully, I think for consistency with the other articles on mass killings (some with less evidence and fewer deaths) that have occurred during this war, this one deserves to have its own article. I do not believe the fact that a sockpuppet created the article to get out in front and plant a dubious narrative warrants removing the article entirely. I'm willing to help in improving the article until it is satisfactory.

P.S. According to HRW the village of Chenna is in Dabat woreda^[1]Efekadu (talk) 17:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/10/ethiopia-tigray-forces-summarily-execute-civilians. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[hrw-1] "Ethiopia: Tigray Forces Summarily Execute Civilians". Human Rights Watch. 2021-12-09. Retrieved 2021-12-10.

[2] Corey-Boulet, Robbie (8 September 2021). "Tigray rebels massacre 125 villagers in Ethiopia's Amhara: doctors". Agence France-Presse. Archived from the original on 2021-09-09. Retrieved 8 December 2021 – via Yahoo! News.

[3] "Tigray forces killed 120 civilians in village in Amhara - Ethiopia officials". Reuters. 2021-09-09. Retrieved 2021-12-09.

[4] "At scene of Ethiopia's new killings, some fight, some flee". AP News. 2021-09-10. Retrieved 2021-12-10.

[5] "Stench of death: villagers flee site of Ethiopia mass killings". France 24. 2021-09-15. Retrieved 2021-12-09.

[6] Dahir, Abdi Latif (December 10, 2021). "Tigray Rebels Executed Dozens of Civilians, Report Says". New York Times. Archived from the original on 2021-12-10.

[7] ttps://www.hrw.org/news/2021/12/10/ethiopia-tigray-forces-summarily-execute-civilians. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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