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Translation

The English translation is horrible - Whilst the French text gives you goosebumps. Especially when sung by Yves Montand or narrated in the right way there is such a subtle menace, going far beyond the meaning of the mere words, that it scares the living daylights out of anyone considered 'The Enemy' which suposedly it was exactly that what it was meant to do. Nothing of that 'effect' remains in the English translation.81.245.186.215 23:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me about it. I was listening to Montand last week in the car and it just broke me up. The French lyrics are extraordinary. --ROGER DAVIES ^TALK 13:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The last stanza that isn't sung is marked "whistled". It also has a strong historical tradition of being performed "closed lips". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.221.106 (talk) 14:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ! I am French and I would like an English person to help me translate the text Please contact me ASAYouCan so we can start debating My goal is that every english speaking person can hear that song and have goosebumps too ! We must translate the ideas of the text not just the lyrics !

Send me a message I will answer as soon as possible ! =)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PuppetBoy55 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

The reference to farmers and workers are unlikely to be a call to communist idea given the author personnal history and Druon engagement. It reflects ] the sociological reality of the time, and calls to unite a powerful idea : the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.229.189.59 (talk) 15:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are the lyrics public-domain? Otherwise they need to be removed, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Lyrics. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 01:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, are the ten commandments in the public-domain? Is the bible?

Ask any Frenchman: He'll tell you that he's not shure about that, but that ther's NO DOUBT that 'Le chant des Partizans' IS!!! 81.244.199.96 23:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confident the Ten Commandments are in the public domain. The Bible, I expect, depends on the edition/translation. If there is uncertainty over whether the lyrics are public-domain, they need to be removed and replaced with a link. I'm personally inclined to guess they are public-domain, since they are over 60 years old and French copyright law can't possibly be as insane as that of the United States. However, it would be reassuring to verify this fact, and might be prudent to remove the lyrics until the question can be settled. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 03:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, if an American would take'em away with the argument that 'They MIGHT not be in the public domain' you'll create a Diplomatic Incident bigger than the one caused by president De Gaulle when, on a visit to Canada, he publicly cried out: 'Vive le Quebec Libre!" 81.245.170.52 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop wasting everybody's time. If you don't have information on the copyright status of the lyrics, as opposed to the song's popularity in France, you have no need to write anything here at all.

Your attitude is, in fact, counterproductive, since it tells me that people care about the lyrics but are nonetheless unable to find evidence that they can be included in the article legally. Your comments are the strongest argument I've seen that the lyrics should be replaced with an external link. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 17:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A final answer

Your nasty aggressiveness is so bad; i.e.:

"Please stop wasting everybody's time" (Or is it just YOUR's that feels wasted?)

"You have no need to write here at all" (That's a good-one, Are YOU to decide?)

"Your attitude is in fact..."

That I can safely state you are the most UN-Wiki person I have ever met on these pages. This is after all the talk page where everybody can foreward his arguments (As opposed to the article-page).

Has it occured to you that you may not have all the wisdom in the world?

Coppyright-laws can be very complex and are far from being fully integreted even within the E.U. (Although the E.U. claims they are) I know what I am talking about.

I graduated law school and although I never persevered a carreer in this field (As Neither in my other degrees of Physics and History-Diplomatic Sciences, I studied for 'Fun') I know for shure that, brought before a court in Belgium (But I'm pretty shure about France to), the argument that this song was 'sent' by the 'Londoners' (As European governments in exile were called in the occupied countries) to the French and sung (Ore actually more often whisseled) publically by every Frenchman who dared so is strong enough to put aside any idea of a copyright still being in vigor.

Possessing any capacities towards logic thought you should not be surprised that when an author 'gives away' his work to the public, there can not be question of copyright any more! The French were even asked to sing it (Publically of-course) as often as they dared to keep the spirit high! 81.245.176.160 20:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be quoting a statement that the author has given away this work to the public. Where are you quoting from? This would (finally) be an answer to my original question. As for all the rest, I stand by my remarks and am confident they speak for themselves. I did get annoyed at one point, and apologize if I caused any offense. However, I asked a simple question in good faith and have yet to get a direct answer. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 20:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, that's a reasonable question, although any Frenchman will tell you that the whole of France knows 'They' gave it away. (And so all of this IS a waste of time indeed)

Who are 'they', and how to PROVE that 'they' gave it away? (It is not unlike proving one's innocence)

It's a long story but most of it can be found in Wikipedia itself, though far more information is available in the French section.

Look under 'Joseph Kessel' and 'Maurice Druon' (For the French translation) Under 'Anna Marly' (For the music, and the original - Russian - lyrics)

References on these pages will take you further (Also to the site of deported and incarcerated French resistants where they LITERALLY say - what I more or less sugested on these pages - that they would even fight for the song to be brought freely if it not already weren't)

Somewhere along you will also read how it was parachuted all over France so that it could be brought to every Frenchman in order to replace 'La Marseillaise' which had been forbidden by the Germans. 81.245.176.160 21:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I should add that their 'Giving it away' was done more by an act than by words. And thus must be verified by historical facts rather than citations. (Legally still very sound) They were 'ASKED' to translate the text into French (By members of the Free French government in exile in London)IN ORDER to provide the French people with a new National Hymn that was to be parachuted all over France in order to be public and national property of the occupied French people. (All of this + names can be found in Wikipedia) 81.245.176.160 21:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An answer.

Hi all, the song's lyrics are public domain, see link on the French ministry of Culture;s website: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/palissy_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=REF&VALUE_1=PM75000409^[1]

87.194.61.98 (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/palissy_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=REF&VALUE_1=PM75000409

Merge The Partisan

Yes. The Partisan is a stub and duplicates the material here. --ROGER DAVIES ^TALK —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 12:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(An update: "The Partisan" was merged here in December 2008, and de-merged in August 2009, as no-one had noticed, (or bothered to mention) that these are two different songs. I mention it here in case some bright spark sees this section and decides to merge them all over again...Moonraker12 (talk) 13:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Persian Translation

The Persian translation is a admirable effort in its own right, but it really is not a translation of the song. It diverges too much from the original text to be considered a "translation" in any sense of the word. aryonoco (talk) 11:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can I query why this translation is here at all? It should be on the Persian WP, Surely? Does this version have any particular relevance to the song? Moonraker12 (talk) 13:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This query has been unanswered for over a year now, so I've deletd the section from the article. I trust everyone is OK with that. Moonraker12 (talk) 18:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The original manuscript of the lyrics is on display at ...

... the National Museum of the Legion of Honour and the Orders of Knighthood, in Paris, France (at least as of March 28, 2011)

http://www.musee-legiondhonneur.fr

A photograph (which can be clicked on, and enlarged) of a portion of the manuscript can be seen at:

http://www.musee-legiondhonneur.fr/00_koama/visu_lh/index.asp?sid=320&cid=10861&cvid=10875&lid=2

http://www.musee-legiondhonneur.fr/mlh/galerie/1024/75_Page-1-retouche---chant-par.jpg

Their store sells a CD with a performance by Le Choeur des Sapeurs-Pompiers de Paris. There are two versions on the CD: one with, and one without, guitar accompaniment.

The song is played very softly, via two small overhead directional speakers, where the manuscript is displayed; you can hear it only as you stand at the case looking at the manuscript. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.117.157 (talk) 02:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics Again

I listened to several singers, and the French lyrics given, were off a bit. The lyrics as shown now are very common (match the original museum lyrics on paper). I am sure there are minor variations, but the lyrics were not correct in a few places. K5okc (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics

They are absolutely not free of right in France and until 2080 or something like that. You should removed them. I know what i'm talking about, i'm french. Also, these are not the first lyrics, they were ones before, that are free of right. last thing, you should write that the song was mots whistle in the Radio and in the France, because the nazis could'nt interference it the whistling on the radio and couldn't identify it in the street.

Please do these modifications, i can't myself, my english is not enough good i'm scared. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.123.183.102 (talk) 09:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

The French text, as well as the Russian text, is not free. That is sure.

And I’m not sure about the English translation… TED (talk) 23:53, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The English versions are not free, either. Translation from the French is tied up in the French copyright, as it is derivative. Assuming UK copyright, since the original was published in London, protection is life of the author + 70 years. Anna Marly died in 2006. I've removed the lyrics. Thanks for flagging them. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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