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Birth certificate.

The mystery has been solved: Gardel was French. --190.19.96.181 (talk) 14:28, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That news item quotes a book that we already have in the article as a reference:

de Saint-Blancat, Monique Ruffié; Esteban, Juan Carlos; Galopa, Georges (2006). Carlos Gardel: Sus Antecedentes Franceses (in Spanish). Corregidor. ISBN 9500516349.

In the news article, I like the photo of the authors. Binksternet (talk) 15:22, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The book referenced in the article is not the same (that one is 6 years old, and this one just came out). The new book (by the same authors) is called "El padre de Gardel" (Gardel's Father), edited by Proa/Amerian Editores. --Nazroon (talk) 16:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. I am looking forward to the new book. Binksternet (talk) 18:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it's a different book, called El padre de Gardel and published by Proa Amerian Editores. Most importantly, unlike Carlos Gardel: Sus Antecedentes Franceses it contains conclusive evidence of his birth certificate, showing that his real name, Charles Romuald Gardes, was recorded on December 11, 1890 at the register office in Toulouse, France. --190.19.96.181 (talk) 18:20, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fake. His French birth records were confirmed by a group of scholars. Binksternet (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone prove that a child born in Tolouse with a name similar ( but not the same) to another child born in Tacuarembo three years earlier, are in fact the same child? or can we also start pulling birth certificates of other children born around the same time with similar names and claim that they are in fact the same Carlos Gardel that has several documents stating his birth place as Tacuarembo, same documents that contain his fingerprints and picture. Why would the French be proud of a person that was a fraudster that did not want to fight for his supposed country? I rather would keep Gardel in history as an honest Uruguayan than a coward, fraudster French. Wouldn't you? He is too big for any of us to be treated with such a disrespect. Gabriel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.9.43.128 (talk) 22:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gardel was born in Uruguay as his born certificare says. 167.57.32.27 (talk) 13:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. Please read Carlos Gardel § Birthplace controversy. Peaceray (talk) 16:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argentine historian Martina Iñiguez got her original document and proved that Charles Gardes and Carlos Gardel were different people. The main article is arbitrary and should add a section on the different positions on his birthplace. 2800:A4:36A:8400:6D16:9560:2AFD:674F (talk) 22:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mention that she did so even after the book was published.. 2800:A4:36A:8400:6D16:9560:2AFD:674F (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martina Iñiguez does not have a birth certificate of Carlos from Uruguay. She has various documents from the alleged family members in Uruguay. Her research is not conclusive. She has been calling for a DNA test to provide conclusive proof. Binksternet (talk) 23:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Additional text for the Career Section

Ciao Fellow Wikipedia Editors - The Career section of this biography might be improved by providing the following additional paragraph:

Upon his arrival in New York City in the early 1930s, Gardel also befriended by the Argentine composer Terig Tucci. Apparently, Gardel was not able to read music and Tucci took up the task of serving as Gardel's musical scribe.^[1]^[2]^[3]

I hope that it proves useful. thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration. With best regards160.72.80.178 (talk) 23:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)NHPL[reply]

[1] Hispanic New York: A Sourcebook Remeseira, Claudio Ivan. Editor. Columbia University Press, 2010, pp. 457-458 ISBN 9780481912311 "Carlos Gardel in New York" on Google Books

[2] The Tango in the United States Groppa, Carlos G. McFarland 2018 p. 132 ISBN 9780786426867 Terig Tucci on Google Books

[3] The Life, Music, and Times of Carlos Gardel Collier, Simon. University of Pittsburg Press 1986 p. 226-231 ISBN 9780822984986 Terig Tucci on Google Books

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