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Naming conventions

Hmm ... I could have sworn that naming conventions on Wikipedia require words within article headings to be lower-case unless describing a proper name (e.g. place names, personal names). I'll check ... --Humehwy July 6, 2005 06:15 (UTC)

I have moved this article back to its original "Camphor_laurel" title in accordance with Section 1.1 of the Wikipedia naming conventions. --Humehwy July 6, 2005 06:19 (UTC)

This issue has been extensively discussed on WP:TOL talk, with a small majority in favour of full capitalisation - MPF 6 July 2005 23:23 (UTC)

Noxious Weed Declaration

Does someone have a reference for the fact that the Camphor Laurel has been declared a noxious weed for the whole of NSW? It hasn't been declared a noxious weed over the whole of NSW (a Class 1 weed under the Noxious Weed Act 1993), and is only declared a Class 4 (Locally Controllable) in some councils in NSW - Parramatta City Council being an exception to this. (JROBBO 06:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I checked the Hornsby Shire Council regulations (as at Apr 2007) and as long as the tree is under 20m tall it can be culled without council approval. No specific reference to the fact that is has been declared a noxious weed.

Object to move

I object to the move from common name Camphor Laurel to Cinnamomum camphora. This is against long-standing policy (i.e. when a well known common name exists, go with that for our title). No consensus was built in advance here, so please move it back. Badagnani 16:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now it has a third name, but the article has several places still using the second. Jidanni (talk) 08:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Any examples of using the plant as....

street trees...??? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A%20Camphor%20street%20tree&sa=N&tab=sw --222.64.222.141 (talk) 03:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dangers

I am surprised that there is no mention of the dangers posed by this plant, especially in the section on Australia. In an environment already filled with plants that will ignite at the smallest spark, the camphor laurel doesn't just ignite it explodes and can easily turn a manageable bushfire into an emergency. 220.233.34.248 (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Hollows"?

In the article, it says "the tree provides hollows quickly in younger trees, whereas natives can take hundreds of years to develop hollows." I find this confusing. If by "hollows," it means "holes," why would that be a problem (or an advantage—it isn't clear which is meant)? Is there a localized definition of the word? — Gorthian (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Oil vs. laurel

Camphor laurel has six different chemical variants called chemotypes, which are camphor, linalool,

Don't you mean "Camphor oil" not "Camphor laurel"? Jidanni (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 December 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 18:45, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Camphora officinarum → Cinnamomum camphora – There are many sources supporting the name Cinnamomum camphora. KOLANO12 3 10:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. cyberdog958^Talk 14:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 15:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose PoWO lists Camphora officinarum as the senior synonym. WFO suggests there may be a change coming but it is currently in review, so WP:CRYSTAL may apply here. @Kolano123, you mention 'many' sources; would you care to list them. YorkshireExpat (talk) 12:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I find it odd that POWO is at odds with IPNI and WFO. @YorkshireExpat: you can see that the taxonbar has significantly more entries for the destination than for the source. I'm inclined to support the move, but I'm not there yet. @Plantdrew: Do you have thoughts here? - UtherSRG (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Plantdrew's assessment below. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Waiting to see all the sources and have my mind changed. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reviewed the listings in the taxonbar. Some are misplaced and I'll work to fix them. Here's the listing for the two possibilities. (I'm ignoring the basionym.)

Camphora: POWO, AoFP, APA, iNat,
Cinnamomum: COL, WFO, APNI, ATRF, Calflora, EPPO, Florabase, FNA, FoAO2, FoC, GBIF, GISD, GRIN, IPA, IRMNG, ISC, ITIS, IUCN, NatureServe, NCBI, NZOR, NZPCN, Observation.org, OpenTreeOfLife, PatDat, PLANTS, SANBI, VicFlora

UtherSRG (talk) 15:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@YorkshireExpat - just a reminder ping in case you're still interested. ASUKITE 15:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will strike my opposition, but not entirely convinced. YorkshireExpat (talk) 16:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstating my opposition above. Knew I should have held firm :) YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Live and learn... :D - UtherSRG (talk) 11:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm close to closing this with a move. @Plantdrew: I'd really like to hear from you. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:43, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG:, your previous ping to me didn't work. You can't fix a ping that failed due to a lack of a signature by just adding a signature; you need to add a new line as well (see Help:Fixing failed pings).

Oppose. This is the type species of Camphora. If we're going to treat Camphora as a separate genus, this article should be at Camphora officinarum. Yang et al. (2022), cited here and in the Camphora article, found Cinnamomum sect. Camphora to be sister to Sassafras which led to them resurrecting Camphora as a genus (the alternative would be lumping Sassafras, Kuloa and Ocotea into Cinnamomum, but I don't think anybody has proposed doing that).

IPNI isn't "at odds" with anything; IPNI doesn't take a position on subjective matters of classification (i.e. whether this species belong in Camphora or Cinnamomum). IPNI just records that scientific names exist, and only notes that a name shouldn't be used if there is an objective basis for that (such as homonymy).

The WFO record says it is derived from "WCSP (in review)". WCSP hasn't existed as a publicly accessible database since 2022. I don't know what WFO means when they say the data was supplied on 2024-06-04. Perhaps WCSP still exists in some form that isn't publicly accessible, but it is clear that the WFO/WCSP record has not been updated to account for Yang's 2022 publication.

Many of the taxonbar databases that place this in Cinnamomum aren't updated frequently enough that I would expect them to be accounting for a 2022 publication yet. Flora of North America (as hosted at efloras.org) isn't updated at all; it just has exactly what appears in the printed volumes of FNA, and the volume covering Lauraceae came out in 1997.

Yang et al.'s results mandate splitting out Camphora (or lumping 3 other genera into Cinnamomum). Yang's work is still fairly recent and isn't reflected in most taxonomic databases that don't update very frequently. If we are going to wait until other databases follow Yang (or we just decide to ignore Yang), we shouldn't have an article for Camphora. Plantdrew (talk) 22:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! Now that's the level of information I wanted to hear! I knew I should ring you in. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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