Talk:Bruce Matthews (American football)

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Matthews listed on NFL Top 100

Bruce Matthews was ranked #78 on the NFL Channel's The Top 100 Greatest Players. (2010) Presenter: Warren Moon. Cjstanonis (talk) 19:15, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure) © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 04:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Only 2 pages on dab page, and page views for the football player overwhelmingly outnumber the views for the Canadian officer, 361–8 over the past year. Lizard (talk) 17:26, 8 October 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 18:29, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question does one have substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term? Bruce Matthews (general) seems to be pretty important in the liberation of Groningen, and isn't President of the Canadian Liberal Party kind of significant too? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is no single criterion for defining a primary topic. However, there are two major aspects that are commonly discussed in connection with primary topics:

A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.

In many cases, the topic that is primary with respect to usage is also primary with respect to long-term significance. In many other cases, only one sense of primacy is relevant. In a few cases, there is some conflict between a topic of primary usage (Apple Inc.) and one of primary long-term significance (Apple). In such a case, consensus determines which article, if any, is the primary topic.

It seems to me, based on the page views, that the first criteria is easily met; readers are much more likely to be searching for the football player than for anyone else combined. As for long-term significance, he is a prominent member of the Matthews family, which continues to produce players in the NFL, North America's highest level of competition of the US's most popular sport. He's also generally considered one of the greatest players at his position of all time.[1][2][3] Lizard (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. No clear primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:50, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. 97% of pageviews for the football player make him the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Long-term significance for both appear to be similar. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:29, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Meets both definitions of primary topic by any reasonable measure. Calidum ¤ 04:46, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose They both appear to be equal candidates for the non-dab page so we should stick to the status quo. MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for reasons above plus I note that there are now three articles on the DAB page so the move arguments all need revisiting anyway. Andrewa (talk) 02:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 1 December 2017

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Not moved. A clear absence of consensus after extended discussion. bd2412 T 18:17, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

– The discussion a year ago ended in no consensus, so trying again. There are only two articles on the DAB page (this one and Bruce Matthews (general)) and per page views this one is clearly the primary topic. Over the past year, the page for the football player averaged 524 views per day, while the page for the general averaged 3 views per day. This overwhelming difference in page views should nullify any argument based on the general having a greater long-term significance, which itself is debatable. Lizard (talk) 04:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 07:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose same as last time, a retired football player will always win one part of the PRIMARY criteria (page views), the general wins the other. The 3rd and 4th Bruce Matthews are only mentions, but the dab page is still needed. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:13, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Besides which, what harm is (American football) doing on the title of a retired footballer? In ictu oculi (talk) 12:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because when people search or link Bruce Matthews they expect to find an article on a football player, which is evident by the page views. Lizard (talk) 15:07, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. If they mislink to the dab page the dab bot will immediately pick it up. If they search for a football player (American football) will tell them they have got it. What's the problem? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Clear primarytopic by pageviews, and likely to have long-term significance as well (having retired some time ago and still dominating pageviews). Dohn joe (talk) 18:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per page views and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. CookieMonster755 𝚨-𝛀 00:31, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting as a multi-move. Jenks24 (talk) 07:30, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. No PrimaryTopic. A minor sportsperson who will never be the PrimaryTopic internationally and historically. Ghits are hopelessly biased. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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