Talk:Brock Chisholm
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[edit]I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, and of mid importance, given his prominence within WHO. Cheers, CP 21:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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[edit]In this edit [1] I removed these 4 sentences and 3 references. I put them here in case anything useful can be salvaged from them:
- "For instance, Brock Chisholm, a former director of the World Health Organization, pronounced that 'To achieve One-World Government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, their loyalty to their traditions and national identification'."[1] -- because it is almost certainly a fabricated quote, the book is not a WP:RS
- Such accusations fit into a Cold War norm in which some conservatives claimed that "a large percentage of the U.S. Communist Party consisted of 'psychiatrists, psychologists, medical doctors and social, health, and welfare workers."[2] -- because it presents the author's opinion (about it being a "Cold war norm") as fact, and in any case is not directly about Chisholm. If it can be shown that the reference mentions Chisholm directly, it could be an added reference to the statement that some considered him a communist or subversive.
- Others contended that one goal of Communism was to "dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.[3] -- again, not about Chisholm. I think the allegation being made is that Chisholm was using his profession to advance communist goals, but I can't see the reference to check. Again, if it can be shown that the reference mentions Chisholm directly, it could be an added reference to the statement that some considered him a communist or subversive.
- Some lumped Chisholm among other Marxists and Communists "behind the scenes," including: Wilhelm Wundt, Otto Gross, Wilhelm Steckel, Max Horkheimer, Erich Fromm, Wilhelm Reich, Kurt Lewin, Herbert Marcuse, Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno, Robert Owen, A.S. Neill, Havelock Ellis, John Rawlings Rees, Sigmund Freud, Antonio Gramsci, Anatoly Lunacharsky, and Georg Lukacs.[4] -- because this list of supposed "behind-the-scenes" communists is getting off topic. I have kept the ref though, because it supports the claim that some think/thought he was a communist.
- ^ Story, Christopher (2007). The New Underworld Order: Triumph of Criminalism the Global Hegemony of Masonic Intelligence. Stanger Journalism. p. 441. ISBN 9781899798056. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
- ^ Dowbiggin, Ian (19 July 2011). The Quest for Mental Health: A Tale of Science, Medicine, Scandal, Sorrow, and Mass Society. Cambridge University Press. p. 158. ISBN 9781139498685. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
- ^ Bowers, James C. (15 November 2011). The Naked Truth: The Naked Communist - Revisited. Bookbaby. ISBN 9781483502359. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
- ^ Eakman, B. K. (2 January 2014). Push Back!: How to Take a Stand Against Groupthink, Bullies, Agitators, and Professional Manipulators. Skyhorse Publishing. p. 177. ISBN 9781483502359. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
Adpete (talk) 04:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Adpete, I support your removals. I'm uncomfortable with characterising Chisholm as a "communist" ... but then again, I think it'd probably be an anachronism to call him a "social liberal". He did run for office as a "Conservative in British Columbia", according to a vituperative review of Farley's book. So... at least at that point in time he would have been a member of BC's (Progressive?) Conservative Party... but I'd want to source this on something more reliable than a book review that is highly critical of Chisholm!
cthombor (talk) 19:55, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
I have removed a poorly-documented award from the list. The cited support is the announcement of a lecture by Chisholm which appeared in a 1962 newsletter from the U of Guelph. In my experience in academia, authors generally provide their own biographical information -- and in this case I think Chisholm may be referring to an award he received in 1950, possibly from the Chicago-based Campaign_for_World_Government, or possibly from the NY-based ICWG that was formed when the CWG splintered in 1943? I find no mention online of a "World Government News Medal" being awarded to anyone other than Chisholm; and with only this brief (probably author-supplied) biographic note as support for this award I think it best to omit from this list.
- 1950: "World Government News Medal" for his contribution to World Peace.[1]
cthombor (talk) 23:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Removed a paragraph with two poorly-supported assertions about Chisholm, copied below.
The first reference is to a book that is surely highly-critical of Chisholm -- because its cover-note deplores the folks for whom "All truth is relative to the individual or group. With back-room dealings, ruinous bailouts and elimination of basic human values, they've turned the USA over to be dissected, corporate-style, and they're forcing this fraud on you and me." I don't consider this to be a highly-reliable source for a list of "three prominent humanists" who headed important UN agencies "early on"; nor do I think that this is important assertion to include in an article about Chisholm.
The second is to a book which surveys the development of the "grassroots right" in the post-WW2 USA. I'm unable to find an online view which would confirm that 1) a conservative women's group in Southern California had identified Chisholm as the Anti-Christ, and 2) that there were likely to be other women's groups in that area with the same belief about Chisholm.
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Others placed Chisholm among three prominent Humanists who early on headed important United Nations agencies: Julian Huxley of UNESCO and John Boyd-Orr of the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).[22] At least one conservative women's group in Southern California considered Chisholm to be the Anti-Christ.[23]
[22] Baumgarten, Grace (29 July 2016). Cannot Be Silenced. WestBow Press. ISBN 9781512736977. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
[23] Nickerson, Michelle M. (15 April 2012). Mothers of Conservatism: Women and the Postwar Right. Princeton University Press. p. 113. ISBN 978-0691121840. Retrieved 19 November 2017.
cthombor (talk) 02:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Unitarian? Agnostic?
[edit]What is the basis for the categorization of Chisholm as "Unitarian"? If it exists, it should be added to the article. If not, it should be removed. Same goes for the categorization "agnostic". 2601:547:500:E930:B56E:987C:7639:9ADA (talk) 02:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's certainly possible that Chisholm would have described his beliefs as being either an agnostic or an atheist! However I find no documentary evidence of this. His strident opposition to religious education was -- in my reading of his writings -- derived from his fervent conviction that individuals should be left free to choose their own beliefs rather than being indoctrinated in their childhood by parents or other authority figures.
- I found strong documentary support for Chisholm's Unitarianism. Regrettably: I find no date for his Moderator position in the AUA. If I were in Boston, I'd go to the Harvard Divinity School and read the AUA's Annual Award citation for 1952 -- which might well shed some light on his beliefs or at least a date for his service as Moderator! https://div.hds.harvard.edu/library/bms/bms11009.html cthombor (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- ^ "News Bulletin Volume 6 Number 7, February 12, 1962". 1962.
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