Talk:Bob Crane

Bobcrane.com, etc.

I removed the bobcrane.com adult content note because the website no longer hosts Crane's "home movies"

I've tagged his decline with an "NPOV." It carries a somewhat moralistic tone, equating "church-going" with "good" and alleging that Carpenter was solely responsible for the turn of events. --AWF

I've seen reference online to Bob's experimentation with home made pornographic films as going back to 1956, which is many years before Carpenter and even Hogan.

Per his son, Robert Scott, Bob didn't go to church and he'd taken photos of himself with other women since the 1950s. I'm going to find the references and make changes regarding that.Gornzilla 03:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Addiction

The guy was filming pornos, he wasn't addicted, there was no enabler, this is religious nonsense talk. 83.70.248.72 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hundreds upon hundreds of films with random anonymous women is a dysfunctional view of sexuality, even if it doesn't end you marriage (which it did). If Crane had been a woman, sleeping with mindreds of men and filming it, she would've been stoned. Crane was sick; religion has nothing to do with it. And aparently he passed on his pathology to his younger son; hosting your own dad's extra-marital sex on your website? That's really weird. I'm sure his mother appreciated that.208.120.100.30 06:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the point the article's trying to make is that the film/mythology around Crane made portrayed the whole porno thing as an addiction.--68.76.233.134 17:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

--"She would've been stoned" ? Listen to yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

He said "would've, which is distinctly different than "should have." And his assertion is pretty accurate, that's not socially acceptable behavior in our society for either gender. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.163.123 (talk) 19:15, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Hogans-Heroes-book.jpg

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Rationale added to image article. Johnmc (talk) 12:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Grave Site

I notice there's no mention of where Bob's buried. He's interred at Pierce Bros. Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery. Here's a photo of his grave marker: http://www.zooomr.com/photos/13173@Z01/790369/

Note: I am the owner of this photograph. Permission is given to include it in the article if someone wants to add it. I'd do it myself but I don't really savvy how to do that.Bwanderson (talk) 02:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

bobcrane.com link

The bobcrane.com link does not have any info about Bob Crane at this time. Instead, it is about one of his wives. Perhaps its inclusion in the article should be reconsidered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.192.125 (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

???

Where's the philandering? Where's the homemade sex films? The description of "Autofocus" is also lacking information on these topics. 155.84.57.253 (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

This was moved without discussion based on Robert K. Crane sometimes being called "Bob Crane". The actor is clearly the primary topic for "Bob Crane" and per WP:DAB should be located at "Bob Crane" with a hatnote to the only other possible usage. Otto4711 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I indicated my support of this at the requested move page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Support. No question this is the primary use of Bob Crane, in fact the only use of that title. A hatnote is appropriate. Station1 (talk) 05:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
• this is clear cut. I'm moving it. ike9898 (talk) 07:02, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I removed the following-

I removed the following-"Crane's second wife and their son Scotty objected to the way Crane was portrayed in the film, and took to the media to present their side of the story. Shortly before the film's release, Scotty also started the website www.bobcrane.com to provide documents and testimony that would contest the movie's version of his father's story."

There are no sources for the above claim and it also seems like that its a ad for bobcrane.com.--72.150.117.55 (talk) 02:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Without a cite, you're right to remove it, but I will say, I remember reading a verrrry strange article about Scotty (in like--the NY Times, I think?) when the movie came out. (Naturally I can't find the article now!) The guy has is-sues. Very belligerent about the movie, very defensive, and very "proud" of his dad. He also furiously rejected that his dad had had penile enlargement surgery. Like--how would you even KNOW that? 69.86.96.214 (talk) 05:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Dropped an interview and source.

Here I had restored content deleted anonymously because, it seemed, of a broken link. I fixed the link and restored the content. On review, however, I was not able to find another source to substantiate that one, and wp:BLP seems to apply (the man was talking about his father) and I don't feel the 1 link is enough, so I dropped the content, formally. If anyone disagrees, I certainly won't object to its restoration... but I won't restore it without another source that seems reliable enough, and I can't see it.- sinneed (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Carpenter ?

Who is "Carpenter"? The article doesn't explain. The first mention of the name is, "Crane allegedly called Carpenter to tell him that their friendship was over". -- Hux (talk) 22:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

John Henry Carpenter, who is discussed and linked in the preceding paragraph of the Bob Crane#Career after Hogan's Heroes (1973-1978) section. Sottolacqua (talk) 23:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Given the discussion in the Carpenter article of the allegations that he and Crane "frequented bars together, picking up women and often recording their exploits in snapshots and on videotape," it does seem odd that the Crane article skips from their introduction by Dawson to Crane terminating their friendship, followed by the murder and suspicions of Carpenter's involvement in it. I assume that something similar to the sentence I just quoted was once in the Crane article but was excised for whatever reason. In my opinion, just for the sake of continuity and clarification, some mention needs to be made of the allegations, because without it the passage doesn't make sense. - Mark Dixon 20:09, 30 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmarco (talk • contribs)

Awards 1965 or 1967

The bob crane website lists his nominations in 1965 and 1966 but NOT 1967. Can someonefix this??? or is this a website error??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.86.40 (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

With which wife was Ana Marie adopted?

It seems likely that Crane's adopted daughter Ana Marie was adopted while married to his first wife Anne Terzian, and currently part of the article says that. However, the "Hogan's Heroes" section says Ana Marie was adopted with his second wife Patricia Olson. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.3.37.24 (talk) 15:25, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Eh?

He divorced Anne in 1970, just prior to their 21st anniversary.... That can't be right surely - they met in 1968! David1806 (talk) 21:05, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

"In 1949, Crane married his high school sweetheart Anne Terzian." So, that is right. —C.Fred (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

New Information About the Case and DNA

I attempted to add the following information to the article based on John Hook's 2017 book about Crane's murder, but was reverted. To summarize:

• According to several jurors Hook interviewed, they felt Carpenter was probably guilty but returned a Not Guilty verdict because there was no proof. If the DNA testing had proven the blood in Carpenter's car to be Crane's, they would have voted to convict and believe the other jurors would have as well.
• The 2016 DNA testing from the remaining car samples found that the DNA from the "unknown male" was definitely not from Crane or Carpenter. They used the DNA contained in preserved blood from Crane and Carpenter to reach this conclusion.
• Carpenter's attorney loudly trumpeted the results as a "vindication" for his deceased client. Hook and others feel differently, pointing out that the presence of other DNA (not Crane's or Carpenter's) merely means Carpenter's guilt cannot be proven. They still think he did it based on powerful circumstantial evidence.
• The 2016 testing consumed the remainder of the DNA recovered from the car. Further testing is now impossible. Raider Duck (talk) 14:57, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Death?

Everyone knows Crane was doing porno and Carpenter was his photographer. He killed Crane with the tripod. Crane was found naked when dead. The fact Carpenter was a Brit may cloud Wiki's impartiality here.

Get a clue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.135.215 (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

As a general rule, talk pages are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have any suggestions for improving the article, we would love to hear them; but please remember that WP editors are not allowed to draw independent conclusions, or voice personal opinions such as "Carpenter killed Crane with the tripod", since Carpenter was acquitted and the tripod (if that in fact was the murder weapon) was never found. We can only report what reliable sources have already reported, with a neutral point of view. Also, please sign your comments, so we will know to whom we are talking. DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 16:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit Warring re 2016 DNA Testing

I keep getting reverted every time I try to add the following pertinent facts to the page:

• The 2016 DNA testing from the remaining car samples found that the DNA from the "unknown male" was definitely not from Crane or Carpenter.
• Carpenter's attorney loudly trumpeted the results as a "vindication" for his deceased client. Hook and others feel differently, pointing out that the presence of other DNA (not Crane's or Carpenter's) merely means Carpenter's guilt cannot be proven.
• The 2016 testing consumed the remainder of the DNA recovered from the car. Further testing is now impossible.

I believe these facts are significant and deserve a place in the article. Raider Duck (talk) 17:59, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Auto Focus

The section on the film Auto Focus says:

The film portrays Crane as a happily married, church-going family man and popular Los Angeles disc jockey who succumbs to Hollywood's celebrity lifestyle after becoming a television star. When he meets Carpenter, and as a result of their friendship learns about the new home video technology, he descends into a life of strip clubs, BDSM, and sex addiction. Crane's son with Olson, Scotty, challenged the film's accuracy in an October 2002 review. "During the last 12 years of his life," he wrote, "[Crane] went to church three times: when I was baptized, when his father died, and when he was buried."

Bob Crane died in 1978, so the last 12 years of his life would take him back to 1966. Starting in 1965, he was the star of Hogan's Heroes, a popular television show. Saying that Crane didn't go to church after he became a television star doesn't bear on the film's accuracy in portraying him as a churchgoer before he became a television star. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle

@FlightTime: please defend your en mass deletion, fact by fact.

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

My rational is clearly stated in my first revert's edit summary. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with FlightTime, and so have reverted all of the added material as non-core trivia. David notMD (talk) 01:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)