Talk:Blennerhasset and Torpenhow

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'blaen-dre' / 'hill farm'

"Dre" doesn't mean "farm". It means "town". "Fferm" is Welsh for "Farm". "Dre" is a very common mutation of "Tre". An older broader meaning "place belonging to somebody" or "place where something happens" could feasibly have "dre" as "farm"

"Blaen" means "front" rather than "top". So "Blaen Dre" in Welsh means "front of the town". Although again a broader meaning could see "Blaen as "top", so we get "top of [something]" with the thing being "hill".

I feel it's rather a stretch to assert with confidence that "Blaen-dre" means "Hill farm".

Disclaimer: I'm not fluent. I live in Wales. Just picked up titbits and do the basics. Diolch. Mongoletsi (talk) 15:44, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's a claim that is referenced though, and also appears in Blennerhasset :: Survey of English Place-Names hosted by Nottingham University.

Probably, as suggested by Ekwall (DEPN), the ON heysætr , 'hay shieling,' has been added to a British place-name containing blaen , 'top' (cf. Blencarn supra 214). The medial -er - is best explained by Ekwall (loc. cit .) on the supposition that the full first element corre- sponded to Welsh blaen-dre , 'hill farm.'

There are presumably alternatives that are equally authoritative but that doesn't preclude including "hill farm". --Northernhenge (talk) 23:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

In this edit, 2.99.151.210 (talk · contribs) asked for clarification of

The local pronunciation of Torpenhow is trə-PEN-ə, rather than the more intuitive TOR-pen-how

What clarification would be helpful? --Northernhenge (talk) 21:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]