Talk:Black Panthers (Israel)

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Kochavi Shemesh, Charlie Biton, and others

One of the movement leaders Kochavi Shemesh was way ahead of his time he met with PLO leaders back in 1972. Another movement leader Charlie Biton later on joined in with The Rakach party and got a seat in the Knesset (Israeli parlament). Unfortanately some of the other members split from the party. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.143.139.149 (talk • contribs) 29 August 2006.

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This should probably be incorporated in some form at some point. Tewfik^Talk 08:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The journal of the Israeli Black Panthers in 1972 claimed: "One of the 'most splendid and rich communities was destroyed, its members reduced to indigents'; a community that 'ruled over most of the resources of Iraq ... was turned into a ruled group, discriminated against and oppressed in every aspect'. A community that prided itself on its scholarship subsequently produced fewer academics, in Israeli universities, than it brought with it from Iraq. A community sure of its own moral values and cultural integrity became in Israel a breeding ground 'for delinquents of all kinds'. A community which 'used to produce splendid sons could raise only "handicapped" sons in Israel'".

I agree that something should be done with that, and it is a good point. Any reason not to work on this yourself? - Jmabel | Talk 19:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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"islamic" vs "arab"

I changed "second generation olim from Islamic countries, that is Mizrahi Jews" to "second generation olim from Arab countries, that is Mizrahi Jews". Upon further reading, "Arab" is problematic, since yeah, Mizrahim include N. Africa, Caucasian, Persian, etc. However, I'm not sure that "Islamic" is the right word either, and it's not what our page on Mizrahim uses. Can we say "second generation olim from Middle Eastern countries"? <eleland/talkedits> 00:37, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

misleading sentence

I have just removed a misleading sentence about Israeli politicians joining the knesset since the dissolvement of the movement. it implies a causal relation which doesn't (necessarily) exists and requires a whole lot of justification. mizrahi politicians have worked in israel ever since the founding of the country - people like Mordechai ben Porat, Shlomo Hillel, Bechor Shitrit and others. 132.66.201.211 (talk) 08:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

and, coming to think of that, the remaining is also full of hot air - there's no 'oriental question' predominant in israeli politics and culture anymore, aside from references to the "ethnic devil" (haShed haAdati), despite the consistant efforts of some high-profile activists to revive it, something most of the public seems to reject. anyway, this really shouldn't go back in without serious source backing. 132.66.201.211 (talk) 08:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The sentence needs to be there as ignroant people soemtimes believe that there is 'apartheid' style discrimination in Israel against mizrahi jews. It was an important issue in the Begin era. I restored some of the sentience before I saw this comment so I will try and correct it light of what you say. Telaviv1 (talk) 11:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Bibliography

Hello, I would like to add citations into the article, as well as expand on the content. Here is the beginning of my bibliography. Any input on my bibliography would be appreciated. Thank you!

Frankel, Oz. 2008. “What’s in a Name? The Black Panthers in Israel.” The Sixties1 (1): 9–26. https://doi.org/10.1080/17541320802063554.

Ra'anan, Uri, et al. "State of Israel: Historical Survey: the State and its Antecedents (1880–2006)." Encyclopaedia Judaica, edited by Michael Berenbaum and Fred Skolnik, 2nd ed., vol. 10, Macmillan Reference USA, 2007, pp. 179-282. Gale Virtual Reference Library, http://link.galegroup.com.proxy.lib.umich.edu/apps/doc/CX2587509694/GVRL?u=umuser&sid=GVRL&xid=45fb1a1e. Accessed 5 Oct. 2018.

Shalev, A. (2015, Apr 10). When israel's black panthers wrote their own haggadah. Forward Retrieved from http://proxy.lib.umich.edu/login?url=https://search-proquest-com.proxy.lib.umich.edu/docview/1676445811?accountid=14667

Smooha, Sammy. “Black Panthers”, Encyclopedia of Jews in the Islamic World. Accessed 5 Oct. 2018

Miriamsap (talk) 20:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)Miriamsap

MK clarify

Does MK in the text box at the top right of the page refer to members of the Knesset? Seems to make sense to just write this out rather than use an abbreviation to clarify if that is the case. Miriamsap (talk) 18:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Miriamsap

Yes it does. I think it would be too big to write it out though. However, I have added an abbreviation template on it so you'll see what it stands for if you hover over it. Number 57 20:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for updating that! Miriamsap (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)Miriamsap

Info about flyers

I would love to include this flyer as an image with a caption translating it but I'm not sure if it is the same flyer being referenced in the wiki article already, and wouldn't want to add to confusion.

Also I'm not able to find the proper copyright info to be able to add the image to wiki commons, but it is #27 here: https://search.socialhistory.org/Record/COLL00308/ArchiveContentList#3183

info about uploading images here: http://up.wiki.x.io/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Editing_Wikipedia_brochure_%28Wiki_Education_Foundation%29_%282017%29.pdf#page=13

Potential caption for image: The Black Panthers created a flyer, calling for their first demonstration:

"We, a group of screwed-up youths, address all those who have had enough: Enough with no work. Enough sleeping ten in a room. Enough looking at the projects constructed for the olim. Enough taking jail and brutality every other day. Enough with government broken promises. We’ve had enough disenfranchisement. We’ve had enough discrimination. How long will they give to us and we will keep silent. Alone we won’t do anything—Together we will make it. Demonstrating for our right to be like all other citizens in this state. The demonstration will be held on Wednesday, at 3:30 pm, in Jaffa Street outside City Hall." (translation from Lubin, Quoted in Chetrit, Intra-Jewish Ethnic Conflict in Israel.)

At the bottom is signed "The Black Panthers"

Miriamsap (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)Miriamsap

References

Secular

@User:Martal Borman, I meant to add the category for Category:Secular Jewish culture in Israel, given that these were secular Communists and socialists. But I would add that the assertion that Mizrahim are essentially religious and traditional is very much an ethnic stereotype, and it would be strange to describe the Black Panthers in that way. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 16:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

"Inspired by secular leftist ideology, the Black Panthers left God out of their quest for redress." This is the first article I've found referring to the Black Panthers as secular, but I will search and see if I can find others. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Meir Litvak's book "Middle Eastern Societies and the West" refers to the Black Panthers as as a "secular Mizrahi" movement. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 16:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Zionism and Anti-Zionism

The Israeli Black Panthers were not unified in their attitudes towards Zionism to argue they were consistently anti-Zionist, as the article currently shows. Some were fervent Marxists, inspired by the anti-Zionist Black Panther Party in the United States, and supported the Palestine Liberation Organization. Others were Labor Zionists, calling for Hatikvah (Israel's national anthem) to be played at the end of each meeting. In fact, it was this primary disagreement over what their position was on Zionism that led to the movement's eventual disillusion and collapse. In fact, many supporters of the Israeli Black Panthers eventually Likud supporters, as the Mizrahi Jews of Israel overwhelmingly supported the right-wing Menachem Begin in the 1977 election. In any case, the anti-Zionism label is misleading: some Israeli Black Panthers were anti-Zionists, but many also weren't. 140.141.4.65 (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)