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– This following requested move pertains to a member of the Filipino girl group Bini (group). I believe that all these requested moves are passed on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Please read the following explanations:
Bini (group)
Bini are passed on PRIMARYTOPIC because, the pageviews from January 1, 2024 until yesterday (January 28, 2025) nearly 1.2 Million pageviews.
OpposeGwen for the singer. The purpose of pageviews is to see how it compares with the other listings, and looking at more articles and all time, instead of just the last year, this singer doesn't appear to be the primary topic. I would honestly suggest moving her to Gwen (Filipino singer) seeing as most people would probably thinking of Gwen Stefani as a more prominent singer with the name Gwen [1].
Support moving the group to Bini as all time page views for them is clear enough. Also Support moves for Mikha and Maloi; Mihka redirects to Micah where there is no one (not even this person) listed there under the name, and there is no article for anything else under Maloi so I'd be happy for her to take that article space. orangesclub🍊03:56, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like peak WP:Recentism, but I don't want to be entirely prejudiced against it. Per WP:DPT, let's have a look at some stats.
WikiNav for Bini does show a large amount of interest. At the same time, it's not necessarily clear what the long-term significance situation is. All-time mass views for the base title and for the surname doesn't show a lot of reader interest in the other topics. It seems to be a fairly common Italian surname, and the Nigerian people are fairly prominent as well, though it's not clear how common the specific moniker Bini for the Edo really is. It would definitely improve the efficiency of navigation for these fans if we moved this, but I'm not sure if this would give the wrong impression to the average reader that this is a worldwide definition of what "Bini" primarily is. It's hard to be particularly bothered by the idea of inconveniencing hundreds of fans a month - they know what they're after, it's not actually hard for them to pick out their favorite item out of a short list.
With regard to Gwen, WikiNav for Gwen and for the given name actually show more people are being detected manually navigating to unlinked Gwen Stefani than there are looking for this other person, let alone all the other traffic there. This proposal is just plain nonsense.
I don't have time right now to go over the rest, but I'm guessing there's also marginal value in doing this. It's safe to say that the long-term significance aspect of WP:PTOPIC wasn't considered here, and we're instead looking at the encyclopedia more from a fan point of view, which is misguided. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 15:06, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I check on Wikinav of Bini, however, it seems the cover on Bini is "other empty" which is a questionable. I believe that this is will be Primary topic because of consistent and most searchable here on Wikipedia of searching "Bini". In Wikinav of Bini, it is obviously receives engagement other topics titled Bini. The Edo people that referred to as Bini are notable, though usage of this term as their primary identifier appears limited in modern contexts. Given the sustained interest and the lack of a clear alternative primary topic. A hatnote can ensure other meaning easily accessible. A redirect a Bini from Help:Disambiguation is a questionable too.
Are we really to believe that a a Filipino girl group known almost primarily in the Philippines is primary topic over a village in Burkina Faso, a language and a whole goddamned the ethnic group? Really?
"Jhoanna", an alternate spelling of Joanna (given name), changed its subject since one of the members of Bini is named "Jhoanna". As per WP:POFR, that should not have been the case, but I was outvoted by Bini fans and their WP:PRIMARYTOPIC argument that people fell in line for. Now, "Mikha" is an alternate spelling of "Micah", and again, just like on the ill-fated RM that totally disregarded WP:POFR, it has to give way to a member of this girl group.
Gwen has been opposed by pretty much everybody here save for the Bini fans, I won't have to elaborate on that.
There's also a separate an ongoing RM for Maloi at Talk:Maloi (singer)#Requested move 27 January 2025 that people on this RM should know about. I don't think her "Maloi" (which came from "Mary Loi") is an alternate spelling of "Maloy", however Maloi can either be clan of an ethnic group or a village. A whole goddamned village.
WP:AGF and all, but there's something nefarious about these RMs. RoyiswariiiUser talk:Wikishovel#Conflict on "Jhoanna" and "Joanna" asked Wikishovel about the Jhoanna RM, arguing "it can be confusion on Google algorithms too especially there is a Google Knowledge Panel for Jhoanna Robles". Are you guys being paid? If not, ABS-CBN should pay you guys; work is not free. Also, how can we trust you guys you'd follow WP:NPOV? Google Knowledge Panels are absolutely none of our business, and we should name articles based on third party websites.
As this stands, oppose all as proposed as per my explanation and as per Joy, support these moves:
I'd comment about this on the Maloi RM, and while we cannot overtturn Jhoanna, or advocate reopening, I'd support for a similar naming convention for her in the future. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:49, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Howard!
Thanks for your input on this RM and for bringing up some points. However, I don’t think it’s necessary to say:
Are you guys being paid? If not, ABS-CBN should pay you guys; work is not free. Also, how can we trust you guys you'd follow WP:NPOV?
While you mentioned "WP:AGF and all", this kind of statement really questions the good faith of those involved in the discussion, including myself. Accusing people of paid editing and doubting their neutrality without evidence doesn’t help the conversation. It's leaning toward WP:ASPERSIONS. If there are concerns about neutrality, it would be more helpful to point to specific sources or policy issues rather than casting doubt in a general way.
Just to clarify, we're not paid editors. Yes, our contributions may focus more on Bini-related articles, but that doesn't mean we're getting paid. We simply have a greater interest in this area as we support Bini by contributing here on Wikipedia, all while acting in accordance with the guidelines. This is known as WP:STEWARDSHIP, and it does not violate any guidelines or policies here on Wikipedia.
Lastly, I’d really appreciate it if you could tone it down a bit. Let’s try to keep things respectful so we can have a better dialogue. AstrooKai (Talk) 13:42, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Howard! First of all, I am not paid editor. Your accusations are not Good Faith and obviously WP:ASPERSIONS. Your vote might or might not consider this due to this accusations, but let's not talk about that. (I'll leave to page movers if will consider your vote with explanation and will be the result of this RM.)
Now, "Mikha" is an alternate spelling of "Micah", and again, just like on the ill-fated RM that totally disregarded WP:POFR, it has to give way to a member of this girl group.
If you see my evidences, it is obviously PRIMARYTOPIC, it will need a consensus again if you really want to move Mikha to Micah which is a given name and per Orangeclub "where there is no one (not even this person) listed there under the name."
Gwen (singer) move to Gwen Apuli or "Bini Gwen" (this is the appellative Bini members go by these days, "Bini" <nickname>". Imagine "Blackpink Lisa"), or "Gwen (Filipino singer)".
Agree that Gwen for Gwen (Filipino singer) But to Bini Gwen, technically no 'cause I did it on Maloi which is Maloi (Bini) 'cause it's *inappropriate and don't know what type is she.
On Mikha, I already created a redirect for Mikha Lim, to Bini Mikha it's just my explanation per Maloi. To "Blackpink Lisa" that you examplez I strongly disagree per WP:COMMONAME. I already explained my argument to Joy so you can check it out.
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