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Good split but move lineage back

@Skyerise It's about the guru. —Alalch E. 15:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Done. Skyerise (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers, Ashrams

@Alalch E.: This is the statistics by REMID (Religionswissenschaftlicher Medien- und Informationsdienst| Religious studies media and information service) ca. 80 number of residents of the ashram in Hesse (2018) (that's in Springen) . In addition, around 3,000 visitors a year.(mainly 'Just Love Festival') Approx. 300 centers worldwide (2022).[1]. Not sure were the difference between 300 centers and 30-50 ashrams/centres in 40 countries? (only ToI) comes from, possibly they also count OM chanting groups Hanumandas (talk) 23:02, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

External verification of lineage and facts surrounding Vishwananda, his claims of enlightenment and lineage.

Vishwananda is a self proclaimed enlightened being, and makes many unverified, grandiose statements regarding his spiritual path. Millicent20 (talk) 17:46, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Statements by the EZW and abuse allegations

In this article: http://web.archive.org/web/20220923081239/https://www.ezw-berlin.de/publikationen/artikel/bhakti-marga-in-der-kritik/ a member of the EZW (Evangelische Zentralstelle für Weltanschauungsfragen, institute of the German Evangelic church for the discussion of religious matters), as well as in source number one (also published by the EZW) it is claimed that:

1) there has been a significant split in Bhakti Marga and a temporary dissolution of the order in 2008 around sexual activities of Vishwanda (despite the celibate) with some of his followers, of which some are claimed to have been minors at the time
2) allegations of emotional abuse and sexual(ly charged) actions in "the grey area between voluntary consent and enforced obedience" have been brought up even before the Hessischer Rundfunk documentations. This contradicts the current state of the article, which relies heavily on the statements of BM's lawyers (in the Frankfurter Rundschau article), and effectively claims that the HR simply made it all up. However, according to this article, the court explicitly allowed reporting of "power abuse" and "totalitarian structures", as well as allowing to say that he was seeking devotion and sexual contacts to young men.

Would you consider this source to be neutral enough to include its statements to these topics in the article, possibly in the form of "According to the EZW,..." or "the EZW claims, that", or mentioning the individual authors in a similar style? They are for sure not a party in the conflict, but I'm not completely sure if its affiliation with the evangelic church would disqualify it. The sources have already been used in the German version of this article for these statements, and in this version for other topics. Iluzalsipal (talk) 21:04, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]