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I am somewhat confused by the early history as set out here. The infobox says that the stadium was built & opened in 1904, yet the article says "Ashton Gate was the home of Bedminster F.C. until their 1900 merger with Bristol South End who played at St Johns Lane, and the merged team alternated between the two grounds until Ashton Gate become the permanent home of Bristol City in 1904." Can someone clarify this and identify precisely when the stadium was built/opened? An article on St Johns Lane would be interesting as well. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. While a numeric majority of participants favored a move, opposing comments were by and large stronger in bringing up compelling arguments against the stadium being the primary topic for the name "Ashton Gate". As such, I find there is no consensus to move the articles. Cúchullain t/c 17:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]



– I think the stadium is the primary topic and that the shorter form "Ashton Gate" is its common name, rather than "Ashton Gate Stadium". My proposed naming would also be consistent with other football grounds in Great Britain, such as Anfield (Liverpool FC) and Anfield, Liverpool (its surrounding area) or Easter Road (Hibernian FC) and Easter Road, Edinburgh (a nearby thoroughfare). Jmorrison230582 (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 19:33, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taking each of those examples: Hillsborough has many other uses, including the state residence of Northern Ireland. The official name of the old Arsenal ground was Arsenal Stadium, with Highbury used as a colloquial shorthand (like Parkhead / Celtic Park). I believe that the Southampton stadium is more commonly referred to in the longer form in match reports, while St. Mary's is a disambig page (similar scenario to Hillsborough). I'm not exactly sure what policy or guideline you are citing when referring to the "views of locals". It's not a planning issue. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cloudz679, your sources can be discounted. All the first one says is that Ashton Gate became industrialised and in fact the second one gives more credence about Ashton Gate existing as it shows churches located in suburbs of Bristol, one of which is Ashton Gate. Further evidence that Ashton Gate exists is the various maps it appears on. Simply south...... disorganising disorganisation for just 7 years 10:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose since "Ashton Gate Stadium is in Ashton Gate", the stadium would not have that name if it was elsewhere. The primary topic is what everything else is named after. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as Bristol City F. C. plans to move to a new stadium within the next few years, in which case the Ashton Gate Stadium will be demolished, so I doubt it's the primary topic with respect to long-term significance per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. It's the primary topic with respect to usage at the moment but it probably won't be in a decade or two. Not worth moving things around just to have to move them back again in a few years. Qwfp (talk) 19:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:CRYSTAL. The new stadium project is in planning hell. It was intended for Bristol to be one of the host cities if England had won the right to host the 2018 FIFA World Cup, with a new stadium needed to provide sufficient capacity for World Cup matches. The bid was lost to Russia and the new stadium project has since run into planning difficulties. More recently, plans have been announced to redevelop Ashton Gate by rebuilding two of its stands. Bristol City FC has said that it will decide between the two options (new stadium or redevelopment) next month [3]. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:37, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update. In light of that, let's postpone this decision on moving the pages until next month after Bristol City FC have made their decision on whether to move stadia. No need to rush into things. Qwfp (talk) 08:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Qwfp: - you do realise that even if this stadium is demolished, our article on it would not be? GiantSnowman 13:25, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I do. But I believe it wouldn't then remain the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in the long term. Qwfp (talk) 13:37, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So you're saying that the stadium is the primary topic now, but it might not be in the future. Any decision to close it or otherwise would not make the "area" the primary topic. C679 18:18, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Ashton Gate revisited

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Following the decision of no consensus, Jmorrison230582 (talk · contribs) has now proposed a move at Talk:Ashton Gate. Simply south...... disorganising disorganisation for just 7 years 19:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) Calidum T|C 01:50, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]


– Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The stadium is almost always referred to simply as "Ashton Gate" (see the BBC's usage), and it is clearly the primary topic for "Ashton Gate" – the pageviews for the past 30 days are 3,613 for the stadium, 187 for the railway station, 178 for the district and 69 for the brewery – the stadium accounting for 89% of all page views (if anyone is concerned that the peak a couple of days ago skews the figures, the December page views were 2,909, 216, 169 and 65 respectively – the stadium still at 87%). Also, one of the three oppose !votes in the previous discussion was apparently due to plans to close the stadium – this is no longer happening and the club is redeveloping it instead. A hatnote can be added to the article directing readers to the (moved) DAB page. Number 57 23:23, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing that. Still oppose since books quite clearly indicate that the stadium fails WP:PRIMARYTOPIC second criteria. The proposed ambiguated title also fails 3 of 5 WP:CRITERIA, as deliberate ambiguations often do. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@In ictu oculi: I'm not sure how the stadium fails "long-term significance". It's one of the oldest football stadiums in England (opened 1887) and was arguably at its most notable in the late 1970s when Bristol City were in the top division. Also, which three of the criteria does it fail? I can understand your logic on precision and conciseness, although exceptions for both are made for the primary topic, but none of the others seem to apply (as it clearly passes recognisability and naturalness, I can only guess at consistency, but there isn't any consistent naming format for stadium articles – some have "Stadium" appended, others don't). Number 57 09:59, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Figures aren't everything. Some people do the Google Test. If you do that, it turns out both the Primary School and the former\proposed railway station have more hits. Simply south ...... time, deparment skies for just 9 years 21:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Simply south: How did you do the Google Test? When I Google Ashton Gate, all the hits on the first page are for the stadium, 7 out of the 10 on the second page are for the stadium. Over 60 of the first 100 are for the stadium. Number 57 22:12, 27 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 June 2023

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)MaterialWorks ping me! 17:42, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Ashton Gate StadiumAshton Gate (stadium) – There is consensus that the stadium isn't primary topic. However, the stadium is usually called Ashton Gate, and not "Ashton Gate Stadium". Therefore it should be disambiguated by "(stadium)". 90.254.6.237 (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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