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A fact from Antonine Barada appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 January 2008, and was viewed approximately 4,817 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Antonine Barada was a 19th century mixed blood fur trader in Nebraska whose mythic strength and heroic actions against slavery prompted his status as a current-day folk hero?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/January.

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Barada apparently was a real person, so the article is unclear as to what is factual and what is legend. Is Barada believed to have actually saved ANY slaves from drowning? Or is that entirely legend? Is he known to have been exceptionally large, is it suspected that he was exceptionally large, or is it merely legend that he was exceptionally large? If the stone in St. Louis actually exists, verify this and give the location. If it does not exist, delete the passage, as it is not much of a legend.

Widely known?

I'd like to know how widely known this person's legend is? I've never heard of him before stumbling on this article, so is he currently well known and, if so, by how wide a region? I'm not sure I like the scale to which the line "The Barada myth is widely known" reaches. I'd like to know what region(s) his myth is best known in so that the sentence can be modified to a more accurate representation of the scope of this myth. SailorAlphaCentauri (talk) 19:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Version of name

Since his grandfather Antoine was his namesake and both he and the boy's father were French, why wasn't Antoine given as the first version of Barada's name? That is more correct French than Antonine, which might have been a misspelling that got recorded.--Parkwells (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cite 2 shows his name as Antoine Barada in the article on the website.--Parkwells (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Lisa or Ft. Liasr?

The 1975 article on the Ioway Nation website said that Antoine was kidnapped when his parents lived at Ft. Liasr, described as 200 miles north of Omaha. This sounds different than Ft. Lisa in North Omaha. Do you know which is right?--Parkwells (talk) 13:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Born in St. Marys, Iowa?

Quite possible. This was Peter Sarpy's town in Mills County, Iowa across from Bellevue (in Sarpy County) that was washed away by the end of the Civil War. I know of no St. Marys across the river from Nemaha County, however. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 05:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a myth

Here's my justification for removing this article from Category:Giants on the grounds that Antonine Barada is a historical figure, not a myth, since said removal got reversed. From Wikipedia's own article on Mythology: "...a myth is a sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form." Myth is used colloquially to mean any false story or idea, but it has a technical usage which takes precedence in an encyclopedia, and which excludes Antonine Barada, Paul Bunyon, chupacabra, and so forth. Pfhreak (talk) 01:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Barada and Bunyon are both mythological figures; the citations used in this article refer to Barada as a myth. Reliable sources trump personal opinions. • Freechild'sup? 02:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My concern isn't with the use of "myth" in the article itself — the word has perfectly valid uses outside mythology, such as "the man, the myth" as it's used in this article — my concern is with having mythology-related categories and lists becoming cluttered with articles unrelated to mythography. In a technical sense, tall tales are not myths, but a separate (albeit related) category of narrative. Pfhreak (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a category for tall tales? If not, I propose you create one. My concern is would be eliminating that element of categorization, as it serves an important purpose. • Freechild'sup? 03:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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