Talk:Antireligious campaigns in China

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On 25 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Antireligious campaigns of the Chinese Communist Party. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Contradiction in this article?

Hey, this article says that China's anti-religious campaign began in 1949, after the cultural revolution, but the article on the cultural revolution says it occurred from 1966 to 1976. Can someone check this out, I am not knowledgeable enough to feel comfortable fixing this. Thanks. Watermelon-lemon (talk) 03:03, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

186.96.77.74 (talk) 02:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I think harvesting the organs of citizens and or foraigners sentenced to death is okey, because the state can use their organs to help people that especifically need those organs... Human rigts do kill people... However, I am Christian and do believe atheism is evil.

More reliable sources needed

Indeed: Reference #46 is from "The center for security policy", a US far-right, anti-Muslim, Washington, D.C.-based think tank. The Center and Gaffney have been criticized for propagating conspiracy theories according to Wikipedia's own article published here: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy#

This page needs more reliable sources (See: WP:RSP) added to it. Some sources here, particularly citations to NGO websites, can be challenged and may end up getting removed. - Amigao (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why challenge NGO's as sources or any of the RS in the midst of a genocide? Why make unnecessary editing war when foreigners aren't allowed in Tibet to document the crimes? Why open the subject when monks and nuns are being arrested/disappeared for documenting on social media? Why obsessively add ^{[citation needed]} tags, and now threaten to delete text with RS? And, @Amigao what's with the link brackets around the word 'rape' after obsessively removing link brackets, which also disrupted the ability to save edits in progress, a few days ago? Pasdecomplot (talk) 19:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like that edit came from an IP address. Here it is: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Antireligious_campaigns_in_China&oldid=977091611

This page has good potential but WP:RSP sources in green should preferably be used, especially for contentious claims. That just makes the page stronger. - Amigao (talk) 22:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 11:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Antireligious campaigns in China → Antireligious campaigns of the Chinese Communist Party – Per WP:PRECISION Amigao (talk) 22:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 02:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:CONCISE and consistency with other articles, which generally treat the matter as by state by default. See Anti-Religious Campaign in communist Romania, USSR anti-religious campaign (1921–1928), Anti-Catholicism in the United Kingdom, etc. Yes, there's articles like Four Buddhist Persecutions in China (which arguably should be renamed as whether this was really "China" is an interesting question), but that would be an argument for something like "Antireligious campaigns in the People's Republic of China" if there's worries about confusion with past states. SnowFire (talk) 00:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read the title as "campaigns against religion belief and practice in general in China", in which case I think it is precise enough. But it may be that that is not clear, since there have been many campaigns against particular religions in Chinese history. The Huichang persecution of Buddhism, for example, targeted all religions of foreign origin. Srnec (talk) 01:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:READERSFIRST. Wikipedia's audience would likely be looking for the current title as the primary topic. Dympies (talk) 02:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – per the use of campaigns, which begs several questions including by who? and when?, since one would expect those sharing an article to have some more specific commonality. In this case, I feel WP:PRECISION is required to be WP:CONCISE. Remsense诉 07:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I tend to agree that WP:PRECISION may be required to be WP:CONCISE for this article. Indeed, there have been anti-religious campaigns during various periods in Chinese history. The article's subject is the campaigns by the CCP only, and not, for example, those by emperors during the dynasties in China. So, I can see that the proposed title change would unambiguously identify this article's subject. Thank you. Path2space (talk) 22:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The article concerns China, not any specific entity. Lorstaking (talk) 09:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any campaigns by entities other than the CCP discussed in the article. The point is that the article seems like it shouldn't discuss a specific entity even as it does—and that the move would better reflect its actual scope, with the opinion that other material would be best treated in another article. Remsense诉 09:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. All of the sourcing in this article references the persecution in China, not by the CCP. Orientls (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Most of the sources reference campaigns by the CCP. - Amigao (talk) 19:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – although there are some party campaigns mentioned, the article mostly seems to focus on campaigns of the state, rather than of the party itself. If there's concern that the current title is too broad, it could be changed to "Antireligious campaigns in modern China". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.