Talk:Album musical

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Reference for the term "Album musical"

Where does this term, "album musical" come from? Who originated it and used it to lable certain musicals? Please provide a cite. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Controversy not resolved

Hello Rarmin. It has been awhile since the discussion of Album musical at the WP:MUSICALS talk page. As of June 2008, no reliable sources had been added to the article to prove that the term "album musical" is used in the music or musical theatre industries or elsewhere. The writing in the article is very good, but we need to demonstrate that it belongs in the encyclopedia. If you have been considering this, would you comment on any further here? Otherwise, I suggest that you merge the information into Concept Album and treat these albums as a the kind of concept albums where the actors portray the roles, and then distinguish the others. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to answer this. I've attempted to make it clear that while there is no one definite term to describe the genre, the genre exists and has existed since before the term "concept album" was created. To lump all of this information onto a page that is really intended to describe a totally different form of recording seems counterproductive. But it really all comes down to this -- if you and the other "appointed" editors of this site choose to move the material and eliminate the Album Musical page, so be it. No hard feelings. While I have enjoyed making some contributions to this site and will undoubtedly do so again in the future, it is only a tiny part of my life, and the ultimate outcome of this debate will not alter the rotation of the Earth. I know this sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but I really don't intend anything negative by these remarks. I just don't understand (I mean, I really don't understand) why this is a controversial issue. Do what you think is best and you won't get an argument from me. I would simply prefer not to make the change myself. Fair enough? Rarmin (talk) 21:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

-I am by no means an expert and thats why i feel my opinion matters. I'm a college guy who is passionate about musical theatre and when looking up musical theatre song cycles I haven't found any information, just a list of shows. I know the genre as Song cycle and have never heard the term Album Musical. So i feel like it just be called Song cycle and not merge with album musical so it will be easier for people to find. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.218.13.246 (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Wayne's "War of the Worlds"

Where would the aforementioned fit amongst this soup of terminology? In theory it should be an album musical - it is camp enough to be a stage production but was not intended as such - but on the other hand it was an adaptation of existing material, whereas I get the impression that the works cited in the article were all original creations specifically written for recording. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Take your pick - is it a Concept Album, a rock opera, an album musical? Something else? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concept Album

Jekyll & Hyde, Evita, and The Scarlet Pimpernel, Goya, and (I suspect) War of the Worlds are all concept albums, not meant to "promote upcoming shows" but intended to generate interest in mounting full productions at some point in the future. An early album of Ragtime with songs from the Canadian production was indeed meant to generate interest in the Broadway production (which was already scheduled) and was indeed followed by a Broadway cast album. There are, however, albums that represent something like musical closet drama, and which are not intended to lead to productions. This article is about those, and I don't think merging it into Concept Album would be productive.

Capeman

Songs from 'The Capeman' was not intended to promote the upcoming musical The Capeman. On the contrary, it followed the Broadway production (which failed). It is the only album of the material that Paul Simon permitted to be recorded. He did not wish there to be an original cast album.

Still OR

Nothing has changed since the "Controversy not resolved" section earlier on this talk page. The term "album musical" has been invented specifically for this article and the selection of works presented as examples of the concept is also entirely the editor's own. He himself didn't deny it back then, yet the article still stands. Collecting new data and creating new ways to classify it is a very useful and laudable activity, but in the context of Wikipedia it is WP:Original Research.--91.148.159.4 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think ought to be done? Clearly, there is some useful information in this article, and some of it is even referenced. Would you merge it into the Concept Album article, or do you have another idea? -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see here for the process Wikipedia:Merging_and_moving_pages. kind regards, --guyzero | talk 04:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]